$525 for a Designer Mach lll!
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?Vi ... 0803145261
Probably due in part to your thread here
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Steve
Human Match against Designer 2265
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Steve,
I'd like to think the smashing product description and pictures contributed something to the final total, but I hereby acknowledge the contribution of this thread. The sale you reference was mine - the first thing I've ever sold on ebay. I shipped it to Spain today, packed in bubble wrap - final price was 580 USD. I wonder if the buyer is a member here. The item in question was referenced in this thread:
http://www.hiarcs.net/forums/viewtopic.php?t=4214
I'd acquired my own Designer 2265 in an earlier auction for 282 USD. It came in a somewhat shabby box, but it was beautiful internally. I kept that one, because I care less about packaging than some. I've been playing it, and it kicks my ass in a more entertaining way than the average Mephisto machine.
Trivia: the model I bought for 282 has brown and cream-colored pieces, which was sort of an interesting color scheme, but I kind of like it. The model I sold was in tremendous condition. It had black and white pieces, unopened, which I'm sure was a selling point.
I tried to provide an honest and thorough description, took pictures of the machine at work, the lingering gloss on the box, etc. I stumbled across this one by pure luck - purchased for 120, sold for 580 - not bad. I'll never get that lucky again, not that I'm in the hobby for profit. Still, the cash will come in handy as I pay for a new head gasket. Times are hard. One day, I'll find the Designer 2325.
Always jonesing,
- R.
I'd like to think the smashing product description and pictures contributed something to the final total, but I hereby acknowledge the contribution of this thread. The sale you reference was mine - the first thing I've ever sold on ebay. I shipped it to Spain today, packed in bubble wrap - final price was 580 USD. I wonder if the buyer is a member here. The item in question was referenced in this thread:
http://www.hiarcs.net/forums/viewtopic.php?t=4214
I'd acquired my own Designer 2265 in an earlier auction for 282 USD. It came in a somewhat shabby box, but it was beautiful internally. I kept that one, because I care less about packaging than some. I've been playing it, and it kicks my ass in a more entertaining way than the average Mephisto machine.
Trivia: the model I bought for 282 has brown and cream-colored pieces, which was sort of an interesting color scheme, but I kind of like it. The model I sold was in tremendous condition. It had black and white pieces, unopened, which I'm sure was a selling point.
I tried to provide an honest and thorough description, took pictures of the machine at work, the lingering gloss on the box, etc. I stumbled across this one by pure luck - purchased for 120, sold for 580 - not bad. I'll never get that lucky again, not that I'm in the hobby for profit. Still, the cash will come in handy as I pay for a new head gasket. Times are hard. One day, I'll find the Designer 2325.
Always jonesing,
- R.
"You have, let us say, a promising politician, a rising artist that you wish to destroy. Dagger or bomb are archaic and unreliable - but teach him, inoculate him with chess."
– H.G. Wells
– H.G. Wells
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RadioSmall
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My tenth game against the Designer 2265 was also a loss .This time the reason was a bad opening played by me:
[Event ""]
[Site ""]
[Date "2011.7.8"]
[Round "10"]
[White "RadioSmall"]
[Black "Designer 2265"]
[TimeControl "-"]
[Result "0-1"]
[ECO " "]
1.d4 Nf6 2.c4 e6 3.Nc3 c5 4.Nf3 cxd4 5.Nxd4 Nc6 6.Nxc6 bxc6 7.Bg5 Bb4 8.Qb3 Rb8 9.g3 Qa5 10.Bxf6 gxf6 11.Bg2 Bxc3+ 12.Qxc3 Qxc3+
13.bxc3 Ba6 14.c5 Rb5 15.O-O Rxc5 16.Rab1 Ke7 17.Rb3 Bxe2 18.Rfb1 Bd3 19.R1b2 Rb5 20.Bf1 Bxf1 21.Kxf1 Rhb8 22.Rxb5 Rxb5 23.Rxb5
cxb5 24.Ke2 Kd6 25.Kf3 Kc5 26.Kg4 Kc4 27.Kh5 Kxc3 28.Kh6 b4 29.h4 Kb2 30.Kxh7 Kxa2 31.h5 b3 32.Kg7 b2 33.h6 b1=Q 34.h7 Qg6+
35.Kh8 d5 36.f4 f5 37.g4 f6 38.g5 Qf7 39.gxf6 Qf8# 0-1
Position after 16...Ke7
[fen]7r/p2pkp1p/b1p1pp2/2r5/8/2P3P1/P3PPBP/1R3RK1[/fen]
Position after 30.Kxh7
[fen]8/p2p1p1K/4pp2/8/1p5P/6P1/Pk3P2/8[/fen]
[Event ""]
[Site ""]
[Date "2011.7.8"]
[Round "10"]
[White "RadioSmall"]
[Black "Designer 2265"]
[TimeControl "-"]
[Result "0-1"]
[ECO " "]
1.d4 Nf6 2.c4 e6 3.Nc3 c5 4.Nf3 cxd4 5.Nxd4 Nc6 6.Nxc6 bxc6 7.Bg5 Bb4 8.Qb3 Rb8 9.g3 Qa5 10.Bxf6 gxf6 11.Bg2 Bxc3+ 12.Qxc3 Qxc3+
13.bxc3 Ba6 14.c5 Rb5 15.O-O Rxc5 16.Rab1 Ke7 17.Rb3 Bxe2 18.Rfb1 Bd3 19.R1b2 Rb5 20.Bf1 Bxf1 21.Kxf1 Rhb8 22.Rxb5 Rxb5 23.Rxb5
cxb5 24.Ke2 Kd6 25.Kf3 Kc5 26.Kg4 Kc4 27.Kh5 Kxc3 28.Kh6 b4 29.h4 Kb2 30.Kxh7 Kxa2 31.h5 b3 32.Kg7 b2 33.h6 b1=Q 34.h7 Qg6+
35.Kh8 d5 36.f4 f5 37.g4 f6 38.g5 Qf7 39.gxf6 Qf8# 0-1
Position after 16...Ke7
[fen]7r/p2pkp1p/b1p1pp2/2r5/8/2P3P1/P3PPBP/1R3RK1[/fen]
Position after 30.Kxh7
[fen]8/p2p1p1K/4pp2/8/1p5P/6P1/Pk3P2/8[/fen]
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RadioSmall
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Quick loss in game 11 .I had little experience playing against 1.Nc3 and lost.Highly original and interesting opening.( The Computer has been set to all openings during the match) :
[Event ""]
[Site ""]
[Date "2011.7.8"]
[Round "11"]
[White "Designer 2265"]
[Black "Radio Small"]
[TimeControl "40 moves in 2 hours"]
[Result "1-0"]
[ECO " "]
1.Nc3 d5 2.e4 d4 3.Nce2 e5 4.Ng3 Nf6 5.Nf3 Bd6 6.Bb5+ c6 7.Be2 O-O 8.O-O Bc7 9.b3 Nbd7 10.Ba3 Re8 11.c3 c5 12.Qc2 b6 13.Bc4 h6
14.b4 a5 15.bxc5 bxc5 16.cxd4 cxd4 17.Rac1 Bb6 18.Qb3 a4 19.Bxf7+ Kh7 20.Qd1 Rh8 21.Nf5 Ba6 22.Ne7 h5 23.Ng5+ Kh6 24.Nf5+ Kxg5
25.h4+ Kf4 26.Qf3# 1-0
Position after 11...c5
[fen]r1bqr1k1/ppbn1ppp/5n2/2p1p3/3pP3/BPP2NN1/P2PBPPP/R2Q1RK1[/fen]
Position after 17.....Bb6
[fen]r1bqr1k1/3n1pp1/1b3n1p/p3p3/2BpP3/B4NN1/P1QP1PPP/2R2RK1[/fen]
[Event ""]
[Site ""]
[Date "2011.7.8"]
[Round "11"]
[White "Designer 2265"]
[Black "Radio Small"]
[TimeControl "40 moves in 2 hours"]
[Result "1-0"]
[ECO " "]
1.Nc3 d5 2.e4 d4 3.Nce2 e5 4.Ng3 Nf6 5.Nf3 Bd6 6.Bb5+ c6 7.Be2 O-O 8.O-O Bc7 9.b3 Nbd7 10.Ba3 Re8 11.c3 c5 12.Qc2 b6 13.Bc4 h6
14.b4 a5 15.bxc5 bxc5 16.cxd4 cxd4 17.Rac1 Bb6 18.Qb3 a4 19.Bxf7+ Kh7 20.Qd1 Rh8 21.Nf5 Ba6 22.Ne7 h5 23.Ng5+ Kh6 24.Nf5+ Kxg5
25.h4+ Kf4 26.Qf3# 1-0
Position after 11...c5
[fen]r1bqr1k1/ppbn1ppp/5n2/2p1p3/3pP3/BPP2NN1/P2PBPPP/R2Q1RK1[/fen]
Position after 17.....Bb6
[fen]r1bqr1k1/3n1pp1/1b3n1p/p3p3/2BpP3/B4NN1/P1QP1PPP/2R2RK1[/fen]
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RadioSmall
- Member
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Match has ended in a 0-12 loss for me.I almost go out with a bang against the master rated machine ,reaching a completely winning position in game 12 but lose due to time pressure and complications.One of the prettiest games I have ever played against man or machine:
[Event ""]
[Site ""]
[Date "2011.7.8"]
[Round "12"]
[White "RadioSmall"]
[Black "Designer 2265"]
[TimeControl "-"]
[Result "0-1"]
[ECO " "]
1.d4 Nf6 2.c4 e6 3.Nf3 b6 4.Nc3 Bb7 5.Bg5 h6 6.Bh4 Bb4 7.a3 Bxc3+ 8.bxc3 g5 9.Bg3 Ne4 10.Qc2 Na6 11.e3 Nxg3 12.hxg3 Qe7 13.Be2
f5 14.Ne5 Rh7 15.Bh5+ Kd8 16.Bg6 Bxg2 17.Rh2 Bb7 18.Bxh7 Qxh7 19.Rxh6 Qg7 20.Rh8+ Qxh8 21.Nf7+ Ke7 22.Nxh8 Rxh8 23.O-O-O g4
24.Qd2 Bf3 25.Re1 Rh2 26.Qb2 Kd8 27.Qb5 Nb8 28.Qb4 Kc8 29.Qb2 Nc6 30.Rf1 Na5 31.c5 bxc5 32.dxc5 Bg2 33.Rd1 Bd5 34.Rxd5 exd5
35.Qb5 Nc4 36.Qa6+ Kb8 37.c6 dxc6 38.Qxc6 Rxf2 39.Qxd5 Rf1+ 0-1
Position before 16...Bxg2 (a mistake by Designer 2265 according to PC programs):
[fen]r2k4/pbppq2r/np2p1Bp/4Npp1/2PP4/P1P1P1P1/2Q2PP1/R3K2R[/fen]
Position Before 20.Rh8+ (although not a mistake 20.f3!! is even better!)
[fen]r2k4/pbpp2q1/np2p2R/4Npp1/2PP4/P1P1P1P1/2Q2P2/R3K3[/fen]
Position before 39.Qxd5?? (a time pressure mistake) I have at least a draw here:
[fen]1k6/p1p5/2Q5/3p1p2/2n3p1/P1P1P1P1/5r2/2K5[/fen]
Lessons learned:
1.Anti Computer chess is a myth , whoever plays better wins.
2.Dedicated Computer are not over rated as we sometimes read in forums ,as my USCF rating is about 1700 (and I have been playing computers for about 25 years) I should have scored at least one draw in this 12 game Match against 2265 USCF but did not.
3.Do not get into time pressure against computers!!
I wish to thank everybody who has been following the match and hopefully I will play a match against some other strong dedicated machine soon!!
[Event ""]
[Site ""]
[Date "2011.7.8"]
[Round "12"]
[White "RadioSmall"]
[Black "Designer 2265"]
[TimeControl "-"]
[Result "0-1"]
[ECO " "]
1.d4 Nf6 2.c4 e6 3.Nf3 b6 4.Nc3 Bb7 5.Bg5 h6 6.Bh4 Bb4 7.a3 Bxc3+ 8.bxc3 g5 9.Bg3 Ne4 10.Qc2 Na6 11.e3 Nxg3 12.hxg3 Qe7 13.Be2
f5 14.Ne5 Rh7 15.Bh5+ Kd8 16.Bg6 Bxg2 17.Rh2 Bb7 18.Bxh7 Qxh7 19.Rxh6 Qg7 20.Rh8+ Qxh8 21.Nf7+ Ke7 22.Nxh8 Rxh8 23.O-O-O g4
24.Qd2 Bf3 25.Re1 Rh2 26.Qb2 Kd8 27.Qb5 Nb8 28.Qb4 Kc8 29.Qb2 Nc6 30.Rf1 Na5 31.c5 bxc5 32.dxc5 Bg2 33.Rd1 Bd5 34.Rxd5 exd5
35.Qb5 Nc4 36.Qa6+ Kb8 37.c6 dxc6 38.Qxc6 Rxf2 39.Qxd5 Rf1+ 0-1
Position before 16...Bxg2 (a mistake by Designer 2265 according to PC programs):
[fen]r2k4/pbppq2r/np2p1Bp/4Npp1/2PP4/P1P1P1P1/2Q2PP1/R3K2R[/fen]
Position Before 20.Rh8+ (although not a mistake 20.f3!! is even better!)
[fen]r2k4/pbpp2q1/np2p2R/4Npp1/2PP4/P1P1P1P1/2Q2P2/R3K3[/fen]
Position before 39.Qxd5?? (a time pressure mistake) I have at least a draw here:
[fen]1k6/p1p5/2Q5/3p1p2/2n3p1/P1P1P1P1/5r2/2K5[/fen]
Lessons learned:
1.Anti Computer chess is a myth , whoever plays better wins.
2.Dedicated Computer are not over rated as we sometimes read in forums ,as my USCF rating is about 1700 (and I have been playing computers for about 25 years) I should have scored at least one draw in this 12 game Match against 2265 USCF but did not.
3.Do not get into time pressure against computers!!
I wish to thank everybody who has been following the match and hopefully I will play a match against some other strong dedicated machine soon!!
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Thanks RS for the games
very big of you to stick with it and post a match won 12-0 by the dedicated Computer
this certainly shows that it another thing entirely when one plays mano y mano against a dedicated computer or Engine with no help except their own brain
in this age of Pc Engines reaching 3000 Elo ..
my guess would be that most folks who imagine themselves strong OTB players ..by virtue of using their PC engines ..day in and day out ..for analysis or correspondence chess ..would probably get beaten severely by any dedicated computer rated at or near 1900 ..in a 10 game match . at casual chess .. not to even mention a match played under rated tournament conditions with clocks
Tip O The Hat To You Regards
Steve
very big of you to stick with it and post a match won 12-0 by the dedicated Computer
this certainly shows that it another thing entirely when one plays mano y mano against a dedicated computer or Engine with no help except their own brain
in this age of Pc Engines reaching 3000 Elo ..
my guess would be that most folks who imagine themselves strong OTB players ..by virtue of using their PC engines ..day in and day out ..for analysis or correspondence chess ..would probably get beaten severely by any dedicated computer rated at or near 1900 ..in a 10 game match . at casual chess .. not to even mention a match played under rated tournament conditions with clocks
Tip O The Hat To You Regards
Steve
