Strange result
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Strange result
Hi all!
It began when I was thinking about best settings for Mephisto Polgar to get most challenging play against. So I asked Ricardo about and he gave me an interesting link with tourney where MP owned 1st place beating all its opponents ( see http://www.anacadigital.com/index.html > Micros dedicados > I Torneo 2001 30' ).
So I started a serie of small matches 30min/game with 2x2 1.d4 d5 and 1.e4 e5 openings and got the followed:
RS2250XL - Zircon II = 1.5 : 2.5
Polgar v1.5 - Zircon II = 2.5 : 1.5 > ok, this one was played good by MP, but then...
Polgar v1.5 - RS2250XL = 0.5 : 3.5 > that was a total crush, every game MP lost by tactics and passive play. Then I had set Random=ON and...
Polgar v1.5 - RS2250XL = 0.5 : 3.5 > the same again! Even in the positions with a big space advantage of MP RS found a way to open the lines and gain a strong initiative.
Any thoughts or suggestions about? Could it be caused by the fact that I used ELO-ACTIVE 2000 level for MP instead of simple BLITZ ?
It began when I was thinking about best settings for Mephisto Polgar to get most challenging play against. So I asked Ricardo about and he gave me an interesting link with tourney where MP owned 1st place beating all its opponents ( see http://www.anacadigital.com/index.html > Micros dedicados > I Torneo 2001 30' ).
So I started a serie of small matches 30min/game with 2x2 1.d4 d5 and 1.e4 e5 openings and got the followed:
RS2250XL - Zircon II = 1.5 : 2.5
Polgar v1.5 - Zircon II = 2.5 : 1.5 > ok, this one was played good by MP, but then...
Polgar v1.5 - RS2250XL = 0.5 : 3.5 > that was a total crush, every game MP lost by tactics and passive play. Then I had set Random=ON and...
Polgar v1.5 - RS2250XL = 0.5 : 3.5 > the same again! Even in the positions with a big space advantage of MP RS found a way to open the lines and gain a strong initiative.
Any thoughts or suggestions about? Could it be caused by the fact that I used ELO-ACTIVE 2000 level for MP instead of simple BLITZ ?
Hi IvenGo,
In the match between RS and MP i did not use elo active 2000 i just use the 30 sec/move level. MP when it is first turn on it has the 10/sec move level i put it in the 30/sec move level. Some machines does not have an even elo when you go from one time control level to other type of control level. In the spanish forum we are starting to make tournaments at 15 min the whole game (sudden death) and there is a lot of surprises look at this link:
http://meca.mundoforo.com/42-vt1466.html?start=615
The best performance goes to the mephisto supermondial II it gained 72 elo points playing at 15 min blitz. If you scroll down the page you can see a table of all the machines that participate and the elo that had gain or lost at that level. The starting elo comes from the active elo list of schachcomputer.info forum.
In the match between RS and MP i did not use elo active 2000 i just use the 30 sec/move level. MP when it is first turn on it has the 10/sec move level i put it in the 30/sec move level. Some machines does not have an even elo when you go from one time control level to other type of control level. In the spanish forum we are starting to make tournaments at 15 min the whole game (sudden death) and there is a lot of surprises look at this link:
http://meca.mundoforo.com/42-vt1466.html?start=615
The best performance goes to the mephisto supermondial II it gained 72 elo points playing at 15 min blitz. If you scroll down the page you can see a table of all the machines that participate and the elo that had gain or lost at that level. The starting elo comes from the active elo list of schachcomputer.info forum.
Milano shows its higher skill comparing to Polgar (see 1st post):
won vs TurboKing D+ 3,5 : 0,5 { Polgar lost 1 : 3 } > saved double-rook ending having pawn for TK's knight [!]
won vs RS2250XL 3,5 : 0,5 { Polgar lost 0,5 : 3,5 } > saved rook ending having pawn for RS's bishop [!!!]
lost vs Zircon II 1 : 3 { Polgar won 2,5 : 1,5 } = very strangely played both 3rd and 4th spanish games and made tactical mistakes [ ]
So I wonder why some people say that they are same strength...
won vs TurboKing D+ 3,5 : 0,5 { Polgar lost 1 : 3 } > saved double-rook ending having pawn for TK's knight [!]
won vs RS2250XL 3,5 : 0,5 { Polgar lost 0,5 : 3,5 } > saved rook ending having pawn for RS's bishop [!!!]
lost vs Zircon II 1 : 3 { Polgar won 2,5 : 1,5 } = very strangely played both 3rd and 4th spanish games and made tactical mistakes [ ]
So I wonder why some people say that they are same strength...
Two more games between Milano and RS2250 were played yesterday: French Defence > Classical Variation; in both RS2250 had a strong initiative in middle transformed into one pawn advantage in rook ending, but Milano won both (!!!) by creating passed pawn and moving it forward with active support of its king... so current score is 5.5 : 0.5 in Milano's favor!
To get a real elo of a machine have to make a lot of games and against different type of dedicated machines. For example in this link :
http://www.zanchetta.net/
and click on tournaments you can see a 6 game match between milano and polgar they ended 3.5 vs 2.5 for polgar. So have to make more games to come up with a real elo.
http://www.zanchetta.net/
and click on tournaments you can see a 6 game match between milano and polgar they ended 3.5 vs 2.5 for polgar. So have to make more games to come up with a real elo.