Novag Quartz?

[Larry]

No, not the Novag Quartz clock. A Novag Quartz chess computer:

http://www.ebay.de/itm/Novag-Quartz-Sch ... 2a2df116f3

I do remember that Novag were willing to give a chess comp a
different name if it was being sold in a particular country, eg Spain.
That could be what's happened here, because I have never heard of
this model. It is not to be found on schachcomputer.info.
Anyone familiar with it?
nice day all,
Larry

[Steve B]

No, not the Novag Quartz clock. A Novag Quartz chess computer:

http://www.ebay.de/itm/Novag-Quartz-Sch ... 2a2df116f3

I do remember that Novag were willing to give a chess comp a
different name if it was being sold in a particular country, eg Spain.
That could be what's happened here, because I have never heard of
this model. It is not to be found on schachcomputer.info.
Anyone familiar with it?
nice day all,
Larry

Sure
I have one

http://www.flickr.com/photos/10261668@N ... 0922171918
Haven't used it in ages
it is not very strong...around 1700-1800 ish
IIRC..It Has some unusual playing levels

Quartz Curiosity Regards
Steve

[spacious_mind]

No, not the Novag Quartz clock. A Novag Quartz chess computer:

http://www.ebay.de/itm/Novag-Quartz-Sch ... 2a2df116f3

I do remember that Novag were willing to give a chess comp a
different name if it was being sold in a particular country, eg Spain.
That could be what's happened here, because I have never heard of
this model. It is not to be found on schachcomputer.info.
Anyone familiar with it?
nice day all,
Larry

Sure
I have one

http://www.flickr.com/photos/10261668@N ... 0922171918

Haven't used it in ages
it is not very strong...around 1700-1800 ish
IIRC..It Has some unusual playing levels

Quartz Curiosity Regards
Steve

Wow do you really think it is that strong? That would make it about the same as a Constellation 3.6. I have one but I have never really done anything with it. Always figured it to be no better than an Onyx or Allegro or something similar.

Regards

[Steve B]

No, not the Novag Quartz clock. A Novag Quartz chess computer:

http://www.ebay.de/itm/Novag-Quartz-Sch ... 2a2df116f3

I do remember that Novag were willing to give a chess comp a
different name if it was being sold in a particular country, eg Spain.
That could be what's happened here, because I have never heard of
this model. It is not to be found on schachcomputer.info.
Anyone familiar with it?
nice day all,
Larry

Sure
I have one

http://www.flickr.com/photos/10261668@N ... 0922171918

Haven't used it in ages
it is not very strong...around 1700-1800 ish
IIRC..It Has some unusual playing levels

Quartz Curiosity Regards
Steve

Wow do you really think it is that strong? That would make it about the same as a Constellation 3.6. I have one but I have never really done anything with it. Always figured it to be no better than an Onyx or Allegro or something similar.

Regards

Well I see Niggemann listed it at around 1880 Elo which was Novag's Estimate
a quick rule of thumb I find useful is to subtract about 150 Elo from any manufacturers' claims...
but I really cant say exactly

Iffy Regards
Steve

[spacious_mind]

Well I see Niggemann listed it at around 1880 Elo which was Novag's Estimate
a quick rule of thumb I find useful is to subtract about 150 Elo from any manufacturers' claims...
but I really cant say exactly

Iffy Regards
Steve

Well it is worth a game with it then. Novag in recent years have been very iffy with their rating claims.

Trying to update my collection list. What's a good way of counting? I come up with 3 set of numbers. Total units, Total programs, Total unique programs ie taking away all doubles.

Total units includes all boards and printers etc. Total programs includes all programs ie modules with Chafitz or Mephisto etc. Unique programs means you remove the doubles of a computer.

Confusing regards

[Steve B]

Well I see Niggemann listed it at around 1880 Elo which was Novag's Estimate
a quick rule of thumb I find useful is to subtract about 150 Elo from any manufacturers' claims...
but I really cant say exactly

Iffy Regards
Steve

Well it is worth a game with it then. Novag in recent years have been very iffy with their rating claims.

Trying to update my collection list. What's a good way of counting? I come up with 3 set of numbers. Total units, Total programs, Total unique programs ie taking away all doubles.

Total units includes all boards and printers etc. Total programs includes all programs ie modules with Chafitz or Mephisto etc. Unique programs means you remove the doubles of a computer.

Confusing regards

good question
I count the different programs..ie ..modules
so for example ..I count each Mephisto module as a separate computer
I don't think I need to have 40-50 separate boards to count that module as a computer
I do have several of each type of Mephisto board but certainly not one for each module..i don't count the boards or clocks or printers or other auxiliary items(opening modules for example)at all in the "total count" but I do keep a record of them
I also keep a separate count of all of my doubles/triples.. but I keep that count apart from the "total count" of the collection proper
as for clones..if they are in a separate computer I count it as a different computer
Karsten has a listing of something like 1000+ items but he counts everything under the sun as a separate line item

XXX Hardcore Collecting Regards
Steve

[spacious_mind]

Well I see Niggemann listed it at around 1880 Elo which was Novag's Estimate
a quick rule of thumb I find useful is to subtract about 150 Elo from any manufacturers' claims...
but I really cant say exactly

Iffy Regards
Steve

Well it is worth a game with it then. Novag in recent years have been very iffy with their rating claims.

Trying to update my collection list. What's a good way of counting? I come up with 3 set of numbers. Total units, Total programs, Total unique programs ie taking away all doubles.

Total units includes all boards and printers etc. Total programs includes all programs ie modules with Chafitz or Mephisto etc. Unique programs means you remove the doubles of a computer.

Confusing regards

good question
I count the different programs..ie ..modules
so for example ..I count each Mephisto module as a separate computer
I don't think I need to have 40-50 separate boards to count that module as a computer
I do have several of each type of Mephisto board but certainly not one for each module..i don't count the boards at all in the "total count" but I do keep a record of them

XXX Hardcore Collecting Regards
Steve

It is still complicated ie with Chafitz you have all those endgame and opening modules do you count them? Example:

Dedicated Units
BORIS 2
BORIS DIPLOMAT (Blue) 1
BORIS DIPLOMAT (Brown) 1
GREAT GAME MACHINE (GGM) 2
GREAT GAME MACHINE (GGM MEGA-4) 1
MODULAR GAME SYSTEM (MGS) 3
MORPHY ENCORE 3
PRODIGY DESTINY 1
SARGON 2.5 AUTO RESPONSE 1
SARGON 3.0 AUTO RESPONSE 1
SARGON 4.0 AUTO RESPONSE 1
STEINITZ ENCORE 1

TOTAL 18

Dedicated Programs
BORIS 2
BORIS DIPLOMAT (Blue) 1
BORIS DIPLOMAT (Brown) 1
BORIS 2.5 1
CAPABLANCA 2
CAPABLANCA - S 1
GRUENFELD 2
GRUENFELD - S 1
MORPHY 2
SANDY EDITION MASTER 1
SARGON 2.5 2
STEINITZ 4 MHZ 2
CAPABLANCA - S 1
GRUENFELD - S 1
MORPHY 4 MHZ 1
STEINITZ 4 MHZ 1
BORCHECK 1
MORPHY 1
SARGON 2.5 1
STEINITZ 4 MHZ 1
MORPHY ENCORE 3
PRODIGY DESTINY 1
SARGON 2.5 AUTO RESPONSE 1
SARGON 3.0 AUTO RESPONSE 1
SARGON 4.0 AUTO RESPONSE 1
STEINITZ ENCORE 1

TOTAL 34

Unique Chess Program
BORIS 1
BORIS DIPLOMAT (Blue) 1
BORIS DIPLOMAT (Brown) 1
BORIS 2.5 1
MORPHY 1
SANDY EDITION MASTER 1
SARGON 2.5 1
STEINITZ 4 MHZ 1
MORPHY 4 MHZ (MEGA) 1
STEINITZ 4 MHZ (MEGA) 1
MORPHY ENCORE 1
PRODIGY DESTINY 1
SARGON 2.5 AUTO RESPONSE 1
SARGON 3.0 AUTO RESPONSE 1
SARGON 4.0 AUTO RESPONSE 1
STEINITZ ENCORE 1

TOTAL 16

So how would you number the count?

ps.. I already know your feelings about originals so don't critique the custom MEGA ones and Steinitz Encore Just curious how you count.

Regards

[Steve B]

Your last method is the one I use
I highlighted in RED what I would count as a separate computer
the ones not highlighted are just boards or auxillary items(endgame/opening modules)
also I don't count doubles
I will count the Modified computers for the sake of this discussion

[It is still complicated ie with Chafitz you have all those endgame and opening modules do you count them? Example:

Dedicated Units
BORIS 2
BORIS DIPLOMAT (Blue) 1
BORIS DIPLOMAT (Brown) 1
GREAT GAME MACHINE (GGM) 2
GREAT GAME MACHINE (GGM MEGA-4) 1
MODULAR GAME SYSTEM (MGS) 3
MORPHY ENCORE 3
PRODIGY DESTINY 1
SARGON 2.5 AUTO RESPONSE 1
SARGON 3.0 AUTO RESPONSE 1
SARGON 4.0 AUTO RESPONSE 1
STEINITZ ENCORE 1

TOTAL 18 TOTAL 9

Dedicated Programs
BORIS 2
BORIS DIPLOMAT (Blue) 1
BORIS DIPLOMAT (Brown) 1
BORIS 2.5 1
CAPABLANCA 2
CAPABLANCA - S 1
GRUENFELD 2
GRUENFELD - S 1
MORPHY 2
SANDY EDITION MASTER 1
SARGON 2.5 2
STEINITZ 4 MHZ 2
CAPABLANCA - S 1
GRUENFELD - S 1
MORPHY 4 MHZ 1
STEINITZ 4 MHZ 1
BORCHECK 1
MORPHY 1
SARGON 2.5 1
MORPHY ENCORE 3
PRODIGY DESTINY 1
SARGON 2.5 AUTO RESPONSE 1
SARGON 3.0 AUTO RESPONSE 1
SARGON 4.0 AUTO RESPONSE 1
STEINITZ ENCORE 1

TOTAL 34 TOTAL 18

Unique Chess Program
BORIS 1
BORIS DIPLOMAT (Blue) 1
BORIS DIPLOMAT (Brown) 1
BORIS 2.5 1
MORPHY 1
SANDY EDITION MASTER 1
SARGON 2.5 1
STEINITZ 4 MHZ 1
MORPHY 4 MHZ (MEGA) 1
STEINITZ 4 MHZ (MEGA) 1
MORPHY ENCORE 1
PRODIGY DESTINY 1
SARGON 2.5 AUTO RESPONSE 1
SARGON 3.0 AUTO RESPONSE 1
SARGON 4.0 AUTO RESPONSE 1
STEINITZ ENCORE 1

TOTAL 16 TOTAL 16

So how would you number the count?

ps.. I already know your feelings about originals so don't critique the custom MEGA ones and Steinitz Encore Just curious how you count.

Regards

[spacious_mind]

Your last method is the one I use
I highlighted in RED what I would count as a separate computer
the ones not highlighted are just boards or auxillary items(endgame/opening modules)
also I don't count doubles
I will count the Modified computers for the sake of this discussion

[It is still complicated ie with Chafitz you have all those endgame and opening modules do you count them? Example:

Dedicated Units
BORIS 2
BORIS DIPLOMAT (Blue) 1
BORIS DIPLOMAT (Brown) 1
GREAT GAME MACHINE (GGM) 2
GREAT GAME MACHINE (GGM MEGA-4) 1
MODULAR GAME SYSTEM (MGS) 3
MORPHY ENCORE 3
PRODIGY DESTINY 1
SARGON 2.5 AUTO RESPONSE 1
SARGON 3.0 AUTO RESPONSE 1
SARGON 4.0 AUTO RESPONSE 1
STEINITZ ENCORE 1

TOTAL 18 TOTAL 9

Dedicated Programs
BORIS 2
BORIS DIPLOMAT (Blue) 1
BORIS DIPLOMAT (Brown) 1BORIS 2.5 1
CAPABLANCA 2
CAPABLANCA - S 1
GRUENFELD 2
GRUENFELD - S 1
MORPHY 2
SANDY EDITION MASTER 1
SARGON 2.5 2
STEINITZ 4 MHZ 2
CAPABLANCA - S 1
GRUENFELD - S 1
MORPHY 4 MHZ 1
STEINITZ 4 MHZ 1
BORCHECK 1
MORPHY 1
SARGON 2.5 1
MORPHY ENCORE 3
PRODIGY DESTINY 1
SARGON 2.5 AUTO RESPONSE 1
SARGON 3.0 AUTO RESPONSE 1
SARGON 4.0 AUTO RESPONSE 1
STEINITZ ENCORE 1

TOTAL 34 TOTAL 17

Unique Chess Program
BORIS 1
BORIS DIPLOMAT (Blue) 1
BORIS DIPLOMAT (Brown) 1
BORIS 2.5 1
MORPHY 1
SANDY EDITION MASTER 1
SARGON 2.5 1
STEINITZ 4 MHZ 1
MORPHY 4 MHZ (MEGA) 1
STEINITZ 4 MHZ (MEGA) 1
MORPHY ENCORE 1
PRODIGY DESTINY 1
SARGON 2.5 AUTO RESPONSE 1
SARGON 3.0 AUTO RESPONSE 1
SARGON 4.0 AUTO RESPONSE 1
STEINITZ ENCORE 1

TOTAL 16 TOTAL 16

So how would you number the count?

ps.. I already know your feelings about originals so don't critique the custom MEGA ones and Steinitz Encore Just curious how you count.

Regards

Hi Steve,

Thanks so it would be 18 based on your methodology. Boris 2.5 is also a chess playing module albeit same as Sargon 2.5.

Regards

[spacious_mind]

Arghhhhh ! you corrected it! Was hoping to catch you out!

Regards

[Steve B]

Thanks so it would be 18 based on your methodology. Boris 2.5 is also a chess playing module albeit same as Sargon 2.5.
Regards

Yes 18
I corrected my post just before you replied
Beautiful collection of Chaffitz /Applied Concepts!
don't see many collectors with BOTH the Capa "s" and "no s" modules
both Gruen modules are not as hard to find I think


Impressive Regards
Steve

[Steve B]

Arghhhhh ! you corrected it! Was hoping to catch you out!

Regards

lol Regards
Steve

[spacious_mind]

Thanks so it would be 18 based on your methodology. Boris 2.5 is also a chess playing module albeit same as Sargon 2.5.
Regards

Yes 18
I corrected my post just before you replied
Beautiful collection of Chaffitz /Applied Concepts!
don't see many collectors with BOTH the Capa "s" and "no s" modules
both Gruen modules are not that hard to find I think


Impressive Regards
Steve

No you are right. 16 it is otherwise we would be counting Morphy and Sargon 2.5 twice.

Thanks I enjoy Chafitz a lot. They are just so uniquely different.

Regards
Nick

[Steve B]

Thanks so it would be 18 based on your methodology. Boris 2.5 is also a chess playing module albeit same as Sargon 2.5.
Regards

Yes 18
I corrected my post just before you replied
Beautiful collection of Chaffitz /Applied Concepts!
don't see many collectors with BOTH the Capa "s" and "no s" modules
both Gruen modules are not that hard to find I think


Impressive Regards
Steve

No you are right. 16 it is otherwise we would be counting Morphy and Sargon 2.5 twice.

Thanks I enjoy Chafitz a lot. They are just so uniquely different.

Regards
Nick

you might be interested to search a bit back in the forum here
the Son of the Chaffitz's posted here a few years back
he posted under the name of
SONOFBORIS

he answered a few questions
was kinda interesting

OK
found the thread:
http://hiarcs.net/forums/viewtopic.php? ... highlight=

Reelin In The Years Regards
Steve

[spacious_mind]

from what Robert Chafitz has posted here already the Original Boris and Boris Master were programmed by the unknown and mysterious David Lindsey ..that seems certain

however its possible the Diplomats might have been Slate or also Lindsey or a combination...i think it was Lindsey alone but this is not yet 100% clear

hopefully Robert can provide more information on this in a future post

The Quest For Knowledge...Continues.. Regards
Steve

That is really cool. I must have missed that post or forgotten about it.

Regarding David Slate, I would bet he made the Chafitz Checkers Program. He was more into that. Atkin and Peter Frey more likely the Othello (Odin)

http://www.spacious-mind.com/html/commo ... s_7_0.html

I would stick with Lindsey as doing both Boris and Boris Diplomat. They are too much alike in their play ability.

Best regards,

Nick