So they probably did not upgrade the Star Sapphire with the 32 bit processor and 1 meg of ROM like they did the Star Diamond.
Meaning... My Star Diamond will spank my Star Sapphire!
LW
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LWSteve wrote: My Star Sapphire has the same specs as version #1 of Star Diamond.
So they probably did not upgrade the Star Sapphire with the 32 bit processor and 1 meg of ROM like they did the Star Diamond.
This appears to be where we are at the moment
two versions of SD..one version of SS..same as SD1
I checked Selective Search mag
very extensive coverage about the SD and SF " version 1"
many articles containing games and info spanning many issues over several years
not one word about a SD version 2 upgrade that i could find
zip..nada...goose egg
my SD (supposedly a V2) manual is dated 2002
my SF manual is dated 2003
i wonder what the date is for the SD V1 Manual ?
something isnt adding up here Regards
Steve
To all you guys who believe you own the later version Star Diamond.
I'm sorry but I'm going to have to pee on your picnic basket.
My Star Diamond has Art#1004 on it, as I said earlier.
My owner's manual says:
microprocessor SH7020
system clock speed (crystal oscillator) 20 mhz
But I just now took the back off my Star Diamond and
to my dismay I found:
microprocessor H8S/2312
crystal oscillator: 25 mhz
In addition to this, my SD has the French bug:
eg. SD Me
1. e4 e6
2. d4 d5
3. starts thinking
What I'm saying here is that I've got an early SD with a late SD owner's
manual. I didn't buy my SD new, but the guy I bought it from said he
was the original owner. I'm doubting there was a switch of owner's
manuals. You guys would be well advised to take the back off your SD's
and check. It's a simple operation, 11 screws and off it comes. Then
you can read what is written on the processor itself. Same with the
crystal oscillator. The processor text is tiny, so you might need a
magnifying glass. You may prefer to check yours for the French bug
that I show above, before taking the back off.
I think you will find the Art#1004 applies to all SD's early and late.
The owner's manuals likely got mixed up in the production, so that you
may have got an early manual with a late machine, or vice versa.
L
PS Editing, my manual is also dated 2002.
I'm sorry but I'm going to have to pee on your picnic basket.
My Star Diamond has Art#1004 on it, as I said earlier.
My owner's manual says:
microprocessor SH7020
system clock speed (crystal oscillator) 20 mhz
But I just now took the back off my Star Diamond and
to my dismay I found:
microprocessor H8S/2312
crystal oscillator: 25 mhz
In addition to this, my SD has the French bug:
eg. SD Me
1. e4 e6
2. d4 d5
3. starts thinking
What I'm saying here is that I've got an early SD with a late SD owner's
manual. I didn't buy my SD new, but the guy I bought it from said he
was the original owner. I'm doubting there was a switch of owner's
manuals. You guys would be well advised to take the back off your SD's
and check. It's a simple operation, 11 screws and off it comes. Then
you can read what is written on the processor itself. Same with the
crystal oscillator. The processor text is tiny, so you might need a
magnifying glass. You may prefer to check yours for the French bug
that I show above, before taking the back off.
I think you will find the Art#1004 applies to all SD's early and late.
The owner's manuals likely got mixed up in the production, so that you
may have got an early manual with a late machine, or vice versa.
L
PS Editing, my manual is also dated 2002.
Hi guys, may you tell me more about this "french-bug"? Does it appear when human play white or black? or any side? Is it also depends on playing level maybe: sudden death / tournament / time-per-move / etc.? Or its apply for all colors and time controls?
P.S. Larry, if the state You told in last post will be confirmed, this will mean that a manual lies about hardware NOT in a buyer's favor, and its for the first time in history of dedicated machines, as far as I know!
P.S. Larry, if the state You told in last post will be confirmed, this will mean that a manual lies about hardware NOT in a buyer's favor, and its for the first time in history of dedicated machines, as far as I know!
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I am begginning to come to the conclusion that all of this is nothing more then a misprint in the SD manualLarry wrote:To all you guys who believe you own the later version Star Diamond.
I'm sorry but I'm going to have to pee on your picnic basket.
My Star Diamond has Art#1004 on it, as I said earlier.
My owner's manual says:
microprocessor SH7020
system clock speed (crystal oscillator) 20 mhz
But I just now took the back off my Star Diamond and
to my dismay I found:
microprocessor H8S/2312
crystal oscillator: 25 mhz
In addition to this, my SD has the French bug:
eg. SD Me
1. e4 e6
2. d4 d5
3. starts thinking
What I'm saying here is that I've got an early SD with a late SD owner's
manual. I didn't buy my SD new, but the guy I bought it from said he
was the original owner. I'm doubting there was a switch of owner's
manuals. You guys would be well advised to take the back off your SD's
and check. It's a simple operation, 11 screws and off it comes. Then
you can read what is written on the processor itself. Same with the
crystal oscillator. The processor text is tiny, so you might need a
magnifying glass. You may prefer to check yours for the French bug
that I show above, before taking the back off.
I think you will find the Art#1004 applies to all SD's early and late.
The owner's manuals likely got mixed up in the production, so that you
may have got an early manual with a late machine, or vice versa.
L
PS Editing, my manual is also dated 2002.
with a revised and corrected manual printed later
its very unusual for a v2 to be released and totally missed by Selective Search..possible i guess..but not probable
perhaps there are no SD v2's ..with the higher Ram and specs..and the only change was the "French bug"?
do you have the box?
what are on the specs on your box?
my box..which came with the computer..bought new by me
shows a 123k book
the manual says 200k
Hoax Regards
Steve
As I look directly at the back of the box, the orange portion towardsSteve B wrote: I am begginning to come to the conclusion that all of this is nothing more then a misprint in the SD manual
with a revised and corrected manual printed later
its very unusual for a v2 to be released and totally missed by Selective Search..possible i guess..but not probable
perhaps there are no SD v2's ..with the higher Ram and specs..and the only change was the "French bug"?
do you have the box?
what are on the specs on your box?
my box..which came with the computer..bought new by me
shows a 123k book
the manual says 200k
Hoax Regards
Steve
the right hand side gives information which agrees with the owner's
manual, ie, it gives 1 mg of rom, Sh7020 processor etc. On the left side
of the box is a white sticker which, in several languages, gives
information which agrees with what I saw on the circuit board itself,
ie, H8/2312 processor. 123,000 halfmoves.The text starts with the words "Features have
changed as follows". This would suggest that they intended to include
a 32 bit SH7020 processor but did not go ahead with it.
This would make sense, because an unadvertised switch from 16 bit
to 32 bit during a production run would have resulted in a performance
boost that could surely not have gone unnoticed for so long.
Looks like it's pretty much 'case closed' as far as radical changes to
a later version are concerned. The later ones probably have the French
bug fixed, but that's all.
SteveB, LWSteve, and others, does your Star Diamond box have the
white sticker towards the left side on the back?
Larry
Just checked. On forcing e4-e6, d4-d5, Nc3 the computer startsIvenGO wrote:P.P.S. And if a human will overpass 3rd move in this bug-situation by manually entering moves e4-e6, d4-d5, Nc3 on the board in Referee mode - will the opening book work again after making, for example, Nf6 or Bb4 reply?
thinking again. I'm guessing you want to know if the opening book
will resume if we push past the bug. No it does not, at least on this one quick test.
Larry
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My box ONLY mentions the book sizeLarry wrote:
As I look directly at the back of the box, the orange portion towards
the right hand side gives information which agrees with the owner's
manual, ie, it gives 1 mg of rom, Sh7020 processor etc. On the left side
of the box is a white sticker which, in several languages, gives
information which agrees with what I saw on the circuit board itself,
ie, H8/2312 processor. 123,000 halfmoves.The text starts with the words "Features have
changed as follows". This would suggest that they intended to include
a 32 bit SH7020 processor but did not go ahead with it.
This would make sense, because an unadvertised switch from 16 bit
to 32 bit during a production run would have resulted in a performance
boost that could surely not have gone unnoticed for so long.
Looks like it's pretty much 'case closed' as far as radical changes to
a later version are concerned. The later ones probably have the French
bug fixed, but that's all.
SteveB, LWSteve, and others, does your Star Diamond box have the
white sticker towards the left side on the back?
Larry
NO Sticker
not even any useful info on the processor
all it says is "Advanced high speed Risc processor"
totally agree with your "case closed " conclusion Regards
Steve
I read somewhere on the net that if you have the French bug that you will get an error signal and that you will have to reboot.
Neither of my SD's came with a box.
I'm not going to take mine apart. So...
The only way to solve this problem (for me) is to have Star Diamond play Star Sapphire. Both my Star Diamonds will play my one Star Sapphire.
(T/C 1 min. avg.) I will then have two games when I'm done. Larry you should also do this. T/C 1 min. avg. response.
This should tell me what I need to know.
At this point... I believe there are people walking on this planet who own
"souped up" Star Diamonds and they don't know it.
LW
Neither of my SD's came with a box.
I'm not going to take mine apart. So...
The only way to solve this problem (for me) is to have Star Diamond play Star Sapphire. Both my Star Diamonds will play my one Star Sapphire.
(T/C 1 min. avg.) I will then have two games when I'm done. Larry you should also do this. T/C 1 min. avg. response.
This should tell me what I need to know.
At this point... I believe there are people walking on this planet who own
"souped up" Star Diamonds and they don't know it.
LW
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Well curiosity got the best of me,,,
My Diamond does not have the French bug...
plays 3.Nd2 and stays in book through whites 12th move...
Took the plunge and removed the back cover
could not make out the Clock speed as the marking on the top of the Oscillator was mostly obscured by solder
what i could make out was J2 and i think the rest was a 5 .. but it could have been a 0
so either J25 or J20
the processor was clearly in evidence and it read...
H8S/2312
so i have an updated SD without the French bug and the lower specs
together with the manual showing the higher specs
this cements it..for me
the higher spec SD almost certainly does not exist
Final Nail In The Coffin Regards
Steve
My Diamond does not have the French bug...
plays 3.Nd2 and stays in book through whites 12th move...
Took the plunge and removed the back cover
could not make out the Clock speed as the marking on the top of the Oscillator was mostly obscured by solder
what i could make out was J2 and i think the rest was a 5 .. but it could have been a 0
so either J25 or J20
the processor was clearly in evidence and it read...
H8S/2312
so i have an updated SD without the French bug and the lower specs
together with the manual showing the higher specs
this cements it..for me
the higher spec SD almost certainly does not exist
Final Nail In The Coffin Regards
Steve
Guys, I'm hot on the trail to solving this thing...
It will take time however...
The Spaniards and the Germans know a lot about dedicated chess computers. They are the keys I believe!
So use your google translator.
http://translate.google.com/#auto/en/
That Hitachi SH7020 32-bit RISC processor is a pretty popular guy from
what I've been reading on the internet.
To have one inside of a Star Diamond would be sweeeeeet.
Hot Trail Link #1 (nothing is solved yet just having some fun)
http://www.anacadigital.com/dedicados/s ... iamond.htm
LW
It will take time however...
The Spaniards and the Germans know a lot about dedicated chess computers. They are the keys I believe!
So use your google translator.
http://translate.google.com/#auto/en/
That Hitachi SH7020 32-bit RISC processor is a pretty popular guy from
what I've been reading on the internet.
To have one inside of a Star Diamond would be sweeeeeet.
Hot Trail Link #1 (nothing is solved yet just having some fun)
http://www.anacadigital.com/dedicados/s ... iamond.htm
LW
Thanks for the link, LW. It was an interesting read, and shows thatLWSteve wrote:
Hot Trail Link #1 (nothing is solved yet just having some fun)
http://www.anacadigital.com/dedicados/s ... iamond.htm
LW
the French bug is by far not the only difference between early and late
SD's. SteveB and probably you, have got the later one. I've got the
early one. Just my luck.
L
PS, SteveB, and LWSteve, could you both please tell me the serial
number on the back of you SD's? Mine is 71045.