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Deep Blue
Although Deep Blue was years ago, I would like to know if any of the newer computer programs have taken it on?
Technically, it can't take any machine on - Deep Blue was a one-off piece of hardware, not a program in the way we think of it now. I explored this a while back, wondering if it was possible to find a Deep Blue "port," so to speak, but as far as I know, nothing of that nature exists.
I'll defer to other experts here who may have more knowledge, but that's my understanding of it. So measuring Deep Blue's strength against modern software becomes a matter of taking Deep Blue's games and testing them against modern software.
Worth noting that one of the Deep Blue versions (1995) lost a game to Fritz 3 and drew a game with WChess, a Kittinger program, perhaps equivalent in strength to a Novag Diamond, which plays at a 2150 ELO clip.
- R.
I'll defer to other experts here who may have more knowledge, but that's my understanding of it. So measuring Deep Blue's strength against modern software becomes a matter of taking Deep Blue's games and testing them against modern software.
Worth noting that one of the Deep Blue versions (1995) lost a game to Fritz 3 and drew a game with WChess, a Kittinger program, perhaps equivalent in strength to a Novag Diamond, which plays at a 2150 ELO clip.
- R.
"You have, let us say, a promising politician, a rising artist that you wish to destroy. Dagger or bomb are archaic and unreliable - but teach him, inoculate him with chess."
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Hi R,Reinfeld wrote:Technically, it can't take any machine on - Deep Blue was a one-off piece of hardware, not a program in the way we think of it now. I explored this a while back, wondering if it was possible to find a Deep Blue "port," so to speak, but as far as I know, nothing of that nature exists.
I'll defer to other experts here who may have more knowledge, but that's my understanding of it. So measuring Deep Blue's strength against modern software becomes a matter of taking Deep Blue's games and testing them against modern software.
Worth noting that one of the Deep Blue versions (1995) lost a game to Fritz 3 and drew a game with WChess, a Kittinger program, perhaps equivalent in strength to a Novag Diamond, which plays at a 2150 ELO clip.
- R.
WChess while if it is the same as Novag Diamond (which I don't know) on a PC is a lot stronger than 2150 ELO. More like 2500+.
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Yeah, I was thinking the same thing. WChess would trounce the Diamond.spacious_mind wrote:Hi R,Reinfeld wrote:Technically, it can't take any machine on - Deep Blue was a one-off piece of hardware, not a program in the way we think of it now. I explored this a while back, wondering if it was possible to find a Deep Blue "port," so to speak, but as far as I know, nothing of that nature exists.
I'll defer to other experts here who may have more knowledge, but that's my understanding of it. So measuring Deep Blue's strength against modern software becomes a matter of taking Deep Blue's games and testing them against modern software.
Worth noting that one of the Deep Blue versions (1995) lost a game to Fritz 3 and drew a game with WChess, a Kittinger program, perhaps equivalent in strength to a Novag Diamond, which plays at a 2150 ELO clip.
- R.
WChess while if it is the same as Novag Diamond (which I don't know) on a PC is a lot stronger than 2150 ELO. More like 2500+.
Best regards
Also the tournament was just a tiny game sample. If WChess & Fritz 3 were forced to play a match against Deep Blue, they would surely lose.
IIRC one of the objections the Deep Blue team had to those events was that there were only something like 5 rounds making it into a bit of a lottery. They were consistently claiming (for both Deep Blue I & II I believe) 90% against PC programs, something which I believe.
That still leaves even the 1997 Deep Blue II miles behind today's engines, of course.
Just a footnote here - I suggested a rating test (using Nick's methods) based on a game between Deep Thought II (early version of Deep Blue) in 1991. The link is here:
http://hiarcs.net/forums/viewtopic.php?t=7029
As Nick's continued testing efforts have shown, one way to measure the strength of engines is to measure their moves against modern software (and our dedicated collections), using a scoring system. In this way, it becomes possible to derive comparisons between the Deep Blue/Deep Thought iterations and other systems.
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http://hiarcs.net/forums/viewtopic.php?t=7029
As Nick's continued testing efforts have shown, one way to measure the strength of engines is to measure their moves against modern software (and our dedicated collections), using a scoring system. In this way, it becomes possible to derive comparisons between the Deep Blue/Deep Thought iterations and other systems.
- R.
"You have, let us say, a promising politician, a rising artist that you wish to destroy. Dagger or bomb are archaic and unreliable - but teach him, inoculate him with chess."
– H.G. Wells
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Correct. The Deep Thought game in the other post comes from the Daniel King book. It has the benefit of suggested scores (by King), but your method augments that and finds errors.
- R.
Correct. The Deep Thought game in the other post comes from the Daniel King book. It has the benefit of suggested scores (by King), but your method augments that and finds errors.
- R.
"You have, let us say, a promising politician, a rising artist that you wish to destroy. Dagger or bomb are archaic and unreliable - but teach him, inoculate him with chess."
– H.G. Wells
– H.G. Wells