Millenium new release of chess computer

Larry · Post by **Larry** » Sat Oct 10, 2015 8:21 am

Steve B wrote: (BTW...anyone remember who won that contest?)

Steve

Bryan from the uk
Can't believe it's been eight years
L

Post by **Steve B** » Sat Oct 10, 2015 8:30 am

Larry wrote:
Steve B wrote: (BTW...anyone remember who won that contest?)

Steve
Bryan from the uk
Can't believe it's been eight years
L

Hi Larry
wasnt Bryan

perhaps we should hold another contest giving away a new MCGenius asking who won that Citrine?

Long Ago And Far Away Regards
Steve

spacious_mind · Post by **spacious_mind** » Sat Oct 10, 2015 10:15 am

Steve B wrote:
Larry wrote:
Steve B wrote: (BTW...anyone remember who won that contest?)

Steve
Bryan from the uk
Can't believe it's been eight years
L
Hi Larry
wasnt Bryan

perhaps we should hold another contest giving away a new MCGenius asking who won that Citrine?

Long Ago And Far Away Regards
Steve

I think I know who won the Citrine

mclane · Post by **mclane** » Sat Oct 10, 2015 10:27 am

[Event "40/120, Oldie-Turnier"]
[Site "SCW"]
[Date "09.10.2015"]
[Round "1"]
[White "Fidelity Designer 2265"]
[Black "Milennium Chess Genius"]
[Result "1-0"]

1. d4 Nf6 2. c4 g6 3. Nc3 Bg7 4. e4 d6 5. f3 O-O 6. Be3 e5 7. d5 Nh5 8. Qd2 f5
9. O-O-O a6 10. exf5 gxf5 11. Bg5 Nf6 12. Kb1 f4 13. g3 h6 14. Bh4 Bf5+ 15. Ka1
fxg3 16. hxg3 Qe8 17. g4 Bg6 18. g5 hxg5 19. Bxg5 Bf5 20. Nge2 Qg6 21. Bh6 Kf7
22. Bxg7 Qxg7 23. Bh3 Bxh3 24. Rxh3 Rh8 25. Rxh8 Qxh8 26. f4 Nbd7 27. fxe5 dxe5
28. d6 Rc8 29. Ne4 Qh4 30. N2g3 Qf4 31. Qh2 Qg4 32. Rf1 Kg6 33. Qf2 Rf8
1-0

spacious_mind · Post by **spacious_mind** » Sat Oct 10, 2015 10:59 am

Back to the drawing board. Is this the OEM Designer 2265 or modified in the UK?

mclane · Post by **mclane** » Sat Oct 10, 2015 11:16 am

??
Designer 2265 is the Mach III in the new plastic design, also the LCD instead of the LED.

the game was horrible for Chess Genius.
then MachIII lost orientation and i thought: genius can make at least a draw... mach III is so stupid exchanging all pieces... but in the end mach III came back and killed Genius.

spacious_mind · Post by **spacious_mind** » Sat Oct 10, 2015 11:24 am

mclane wrote:??
Designer 2265 is the Mach III in the new plastic design, also the LCD instead of the LED.

the game was horrible for Chess Genius.
then MachIII lost orientation and i thought: genius can make at least a draw... mach III is so stupid exchanging all pieces... but in the end mach III came back and killed Genius.

I know I have one, just checking in case you had it modified to be something faster than the Mach III in the UK. I am asking because the result places Chess Genius back down the field. Sounds to me it is a typical dedicated computer where you will get some really good games and really bad games. Perfect for the dedicated computer collection. From what you described end games are not its greatest asset?

From your first game opinion what is your impression, where do you see Chess Genius?

The game was too short for you to know if the 20/20 was a typo or real.

Best Regards

mclane · Post by **mclane** » Sat Oct 10, 2015 11:39 am

spacious_mind wrote:
mclane wrote:??
Designer 2265 is the Mach III in the new plastic design, also the LCD instead of the LED.

the game was horrible for Chess Genius.
then MachIII lost orientation and i thought: genius can make at least a draw... mach III is so stupid exchanging all pieces... but in the end mach III came back and killed Genius.
I know I have one, just checking in case you had it modified to be something faster than the Mach III in the UK. I am asking because the result places Chess Genius back down the field. Sounds to me it is a typical dedicated computer where you will get some really good games and really bad games. Perfect for the dedicated computer collection. From what you described end games are not its greatest asset?

From your first game opinion what is your impression, where do you see Chess Genius?

The game was too short for you to know if the 20/20 was a typo or real.

Best Regards

IMO The opening position was also not so nice for black.

To me that was a very weak game of chess genius. It misevaluated the position and although coming into the 8 search it had no clue about the disaster. Let's hope it was only one game and it also has other games.

If this kind of games continue the elo 2000 or > 2000 cannot be relied/trusted on.

Then it is a marketing gag. But let's see.

We have to understand that the engine running on mobile phones and tablets gets a hardware running with 1000-2300 MHz while in the hardware used here it is only 48 MHz.
This is a huge factor and makes a difference.

spacious_mind · Post by **spacious_mind** » Sat Oct 10, 2015 11:40 am

Hi Thorsten,

I just replayed the game. I think you must have got frustrated with the game because it looks to me as if you finished the game a little too early. It would have been nice to see Mach III actually break through.

I am saying that because:

[fen]5r2/1ppn4/p2P1nk1/4p3/2P1N1q1/6N1/PP3Q2/K4R2 w - - 0 34[/fen]

With Designer 2265 to play. If it gets greedy and takes the pawn with 34. dxc7 all the advantage is gone.

Best regards

mclane · Post by **mclane** » Sat Oct 10, 2015 11:51 am

After exchange white has a rook more. I doubt millennium can come out of this.

spacious_mind · Post by **spacious_mind** » Sat Oct 10, 2015 12:03 pm

mclane wrote:After exchange white has a rook more. I doubt millennium can come out of this.

Hi Thorsten,

I don't know it is the very next move that Mach III plays that is critical. If it plays 34. dxc7 instead of 34. Rg1 which is a good possibility that it might then:

1. = (0.00): 34...Nxe4 35.Qxf8 Nxf8 36.Nxe4 Qd7 37.Rg1+ Kh6 38.Rh1+ Kg6 39.Rg1+

It would likely be a drawn game assuming no more mistakes happen.

Regards

mclane · Post by **mclane** » Sat Oct 10, 2015 1:20 pm

Mach III plays Rg1 and is not changing this best move in search 5/6.
Score is ~ +3.5

spacious_mind · Post by **spacious_mind** » Sat Oct 10, 2015 2:29 pm

mclane wrote:Mach III plays Rg1 and is not changing this best move in search 5/6.
Score is ~ +3.5

Well your decision is good then

Best regards

Monsieur Plastique · Post by **Monsieur Plastique** » Sat Oct 10, 2015 4:48 pm

Just one adjudicated game and you've made your minds up about it already.

mclane · Post by **mclane** » Sat Oct 10, 2015 6:11 pm

Next Game against mm5.

It seems the manual is WRONG. Millennium genius is not playing 20/20 in the second time control but 20 in 60.
So typo in manual.