Millenium new release of chess computer

Post by **Steve B** » Tue Nov 24, 2015 11:13 pm

Fernando wrote:
BTW, I already bought mine from chessusa. Machine plus delivery cost me 300

i told you two days ago you would not be happy with the cost for one unit
ill say it again...

Loyalty Premium Regards
Steve

Post by **Fernando** » Tue Nov 24, 2015 11:37 pm

Steve B wrote:
Fernando wrote:
BTW, I already bought mine from chessusa. Machine plus delivery cost me 300
i told you two days ago you would not be happy with the cost for one unit
ill say it again...

Loyalty Premium Regards
Steve

Proud to be that the case.

Ruined but loyal regards
Fern

Dave C · Post by **Dave C** » Tue Nov 24, 2015 11:49 pm

chesspcmac wrote:I want to order one here in the uSA. The best place you guys recommend to place my order is.......
Buying regards
Mike

Mike,
It is good to shop around online. Some examples include: Chess USA is charging 199, Chess House is charging 149.
I purchased from Chess House and they were very professional.

Good luck,
Dave

mclane · Post by **mclane** » Wed Nov 25, 2015 12:16 am

I have now played 30 tournament games and will soon publish the article...

Post by **Fernando** » Wed Nov 25, 2015 12:29 am

I wonder when the day will come when someone here will talk and comment of HIS personal games against the new machine. I just read and see about fights against other comps.

Waiting for Godot regards
Fern

Post by **Steve B** » Wed Nov 25, 2015 12:38 am

Fernando wrote:I wonder when the day will come when someone here will talk and comment of HIS personal games against the new machine. I just read and see about fights against other comps.

Waiting for Godot regards
Fern

that is basically your job here
you never play the computers against each other so this area of the hobby is usually left to you
and for this you are very handsomely paid here
it would be nice though if you could please from time to time post the actual moves of a game you played

Executive Compensation Regards
Steve

Post by **Fernando** » Wed Nov 25, 2015 12:46 am

I will try my best, but i am afraid that MG...

Comes with a pin bug regards
Fern

vonderlasa · Post by **vonderlasa** » Wed Nov 25, 2015 12:47 am

Since Steve has asked for games, here's one right out of the box.
This was on the default level for MCG, whatever time control that is.

[Event "?"]
[Site "?"]
[Date "Nov 13, 2015"]
[Round "?"]
[White "vonderlasa"]
[Black "Millennium Chess Genius"]
[Result "1-0"]

1. e4 e6 2. d4 d5 3. Nc3 Bb4 4. e5 Ne7 5. a3 Bxc3+ 6. bxc3 c5 7. Qg4 Nf5 8. Nf3
cxd4 9. cxd4 Nc6 10. Bd3 Nce7 11. O-O O-O 12. Rb1 Qc7 13. Qh3 g6 14. g4 Ng7 15.
Qh6 f6 16. exf6 Nc6 17. Bxg6 Ne8 18. Bxe8 Rxe8 19. Bf4 Qd7 20. Bd6 Kh8 21. Ng5
Ne5 22. Bxe5 Kg8 23. f7+ Qxf7 24. Nxf7 Kxf7 25. Qg7#
1-0

If anyone is interested, my peak USCF rating was 1931. i played it at about g/10 pace.

ChessHouse · Post by **ChessHouse** » Wed Nov 25, 2015 12:55 am

Dave C wrote:
chesspcmac wrote:I want to order one here in the uSA. The best place you guys recommend to place my order is.......
Buying regards
Mike
Mike,
It is good to shop around online. Some examples include: Chess USA is charging 199, Chess House is charging 149.
I purchased from Chess House and they were very professional.

Good luck,
Dave

Thanks Dave! 1st wave of these came in and promptly went out!

If anyone is looking, we are allowing back orders and expect a new shipment before Christmas.

Because delayed Genius is better than none at all...

Professionally yours,

Larry · Post by **Larry** » Wed Nov 25, 2015 2:04 am

Steve B wrote: Hi Larry
is that where you bought yours?

Survey Regards
Steve

Hi Steve, no, I have yet to buy one. I'm waiting for you to
get sick of yours and offer it to me for
....half price regards,
L

Monsieur Plastique · Post by **Monsieur Plastique** » Wed Nov 25, 2015 3:13 am

Fernando wrote:I wonder when the day will come when someone here will talk and comment of HIS personal games against the new machine. I just read and see about fights against other comps.

If you look back in the thread I have already commented on this as I almost exclusively playing against machines rather than have them face each other. I was crushed in two games at tournament level. Bear in mind I am someone who can crush the Alexandra Excalibur machine more easily than Genius crushes me (and I know you own and have played that machine a few times). The games against Genius were no more worthy of print than a game between Garry Kasparov and his victim in a simul. Best I managed in three games was getting to a slight positional disadvantage in an endgame, upon which it outplayed me. In any event, in my opinion instructive chess games do not really exist below the 1900 ELO FIDE level, nor are games instructive at fast time controls at any level - which is what most people are seemingly inclined to use these days.

And just to point out another thing that I mentioned earlier - the machine on it's out of the box levels and at quick time controls is relatively weak - it is rather like the Kaplan / Barnes and Fidelity programs in that respect. So the best chess you will see out of this machine is at the slower time controls, though it is still obviously expert strength at the fast ones (though inclined more often to lose positionally - something that is far more unlikely on slow time controls. Even I have beaten it at fast time controls if I play positional chess and avoid positions where tactics can be exploited. But at the slow time controls, it simply makes it far, far more difficult for the opposing player to get into an advantageous position in the first place).

Monsieur Plastique · Post by **Monsieur Plastique** » Wed Nov 25, 2015 7:18 am

klute wrote:To be honest, I'm surprised anyone would want to fiddle with the contrast much except out of curiosity - the clarity and quality of the screen on this machine blows anything else you've ever seen out of the water.

Yes it does, though I suspect the primary reason for the adjustment was to maintain a subjectively consistent quality of display as the batteries run down. As the batteries wear down in my Genius (admittedly after a heck of a lot of use), I see more value in the contrast adjustment than I would if I were mucking or experimenting with fresh batteries.

Monsieur Plastique · Post by **Monsieur Plastique** » Wed Nov 25, 2015 7:27 am

By they way, I am surprised that I seem to be the only one who has specifically praised the openings book. Apologies if anyone else has. How do you like these replies as black, for example to the Ruy Lopez on move 3? These are moves Millennium Genius plays regularly and by choice (as distinct from what it knows).

3....a6
3....Nf6
3....d6
3....f5
3....Bc5
3....Nd4

Yes - Bird's Defense!!!

There may be others that it will willingly play and it is just that I have not encountered them yet. But compare that to Genius on the Phone where you get only two possible replies:

3....a6
3....Bb4?!

Post by **Steve B** » Wed Nov 25, 2015 9:13 am

mclane wrote:I have now played 30 tournament games and will soon publish the article...

i look forward to the results

which draws does the MCG Recognize?
3 Fold Rep?
Insufficient Material?
50 move rule?
Stalemate?

how many moves can be taken back?
the manual is silent about these questions

the box (not the manual) does mention there are 20,000 book positions

Inquisitive Regards
Steve

klute · Post by **klute** » Wed Nov 25, 2015 9:40 am

Fernando wrote:I wonder when the day will come when someone here will talk and comment of HIS personal games against the new machine

Well I can truthfully say I defeated my ChessGenius the other night in an impromptu 5 minute game as white in a positional Ruy Lopez and with twice as much time left on my clock.

I will also truthfully say that it would be far harder work for me to get a plus score against it in a series of wildly tactical games.

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