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Dylan Sharp
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I hope you get better soon Dark Horse.
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23.Nxe5
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Here's what I have for 23. Nxe5
23. Nxe5 Nxe5 24. Bc3 Rc8 25. Nb3 Ng4 26. Kg2 Bxh4 27. Na5

After these moves, Crafty was showing
depth=21 +0.00 27. ... Ba6 28. b5 Bxg3 29. fxg3 Bxb5 30. Qd2 Qa6 31. Nb3 e5 32. Bb2 Rxc1 33. Nxc1 Bf1+ 34. Kg1 Qf6 35. Bd3 Bh3 36. Qe2 h4 37. gxh4 Qxh4

It is a little different from the line that Dylan posted, but Crafty still agrees that there isn't much here for either side.

I only just started checking 23. Be1, but I expect I'll vote for it later today.
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Hi All

My vote is for 23.Nxe5

I expect 23...Nex5 24.Nb3 f5 and now from us either 25.Bc3 or Bf4

I know we believe we 'have' a draw, and that they are just being a bit awkward perhaps, but I think we need to remain careful and alert... there are ways to get ourselves into difficulties, so we need to keep finding the best possible moves

Cheers - Eric
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Hi again... I'm replying to my own e-mail!!

After 23.Nxe5 Nxe5 24.Nb3 f5 I've just spotted 25.Rd1 which looks better than my previous proposal. There's some interesting exchanges if 25...fxe4 26.Bf4 Qxb4 27.Bxe5 Qxb3

Anyway I still vote for 23.Nxe5

Cheers - Eric
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Post by Wardy »

Eric Hallsworth wrote:Hi again... I'm replying to my own e-mail!!

After 23.Nxe5 Nxe5 24.Nb3 f5 I've just spotted 25.Rd1 which looks better than my previous proposal. There's some interesting exchanges if 25...fxe4 26.Bf4 Qxb4 27.Bxe5 Qxb3

Anyway I still vote for 23.Nxe5

Cheers - Eric
Hi Eric,

That's the line Deep Shredder found in the deep ponder I left it in

22...h5 23.Nxe5 Nxe5 24.Nb3 f5 25.Rd1 fxe4 26.Bf4 Qxb4 27.Bxe5 Qxb3 28.Bc2 Qb4 29.Rxd7 Bd5 30.Qd1 Qc5 31.Bd4 Qb4 32.Be5 Qc5 33.Bd4 Qb4 34.Be5 (205.495.515.897) 1495 SB:31.590.235

Score was 0.00. I walked through the line up to 24. Nb3 and left DS 11 running in 2 pv mode while I'm at work. Hope to post the results later.

We could do with some workspace somewhere to post all our lines so it's easy to see what people have posted? Anyone got any ideas on how this might be achieved?
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23.Be1

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Dylan Sharp wrote:
Harvey Williamson wrote:23.Be1 - back sunday!
Yes, I saw your conditionals, what do you have for 23.Be1 Qb6 24.Nxe5 Nxe5 25.Qxh5 f5 ? I mean, see you then!
I have

23.Be1 Qb6 24.Nxe5 Nxe5 25.Qxh5 f5 26.Rd1 g6 27.Qh6 (0.0)

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My vote is 23.Nxe5
Fritz 11 gives 23...Nxe5 24.Nb3 f5 25.Bc3

Analysis by Fritz 11: depht 22/41

1. = (0.00): 25...fxe4 26.Nc5 Bc6 27.Nxe4 Nf3+ 28.Qxf3 Rxf3 29.Nxd6 Bxd6 30.Ba2 Bb5 31.Bb1 Bc6
2. = (0.00): 25...f4 26.Qxh5 Nd3
3. = (0.03): 25...Bxe4 26.Nd2 Bxb1 27.Bxe5 Qd3 28.Qxh5 Qxd2 29.Rxb1 Qc2 30.Rd1 d5 31.Re1 Qd2 32.Re2 Qc1+ 33.Kh2 Bxb4 34.Bb2 Qc4 35.Rxe6 d4 36.Rg6 Qd5
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Hmmmm, Deep Shredders analysis during the day has taken a turn for the worse....... here's it's top 2 PV's after nb3 following my line above

Engine: Deep Shredder 11 UCI (1024 MB)
by Stefan Meyer-Kahlen

26 348:20 -0.14 24...Ba6 25.Qxh5 g6 26.Qd1 Bc4
27.Rc3 Qxb4 28.Bc2 Qb5 29.Re3 Bd8
30.Nd4 Qc5 31.Nb3 Qa7 32.Rc3 Bb6
33.Be3 Bxe3 34.Rxe3 Rb8 (30.055.590.959) 1438
SB:10.166.321

26 398:43 -0.04 24...f5 25.Rd1 fxe4 26.Bf4 Qxb4
27.Bxe5 Qxb3 28.Bc2 Qb6 29.Rxd7 Rf7
30.Bf4 Bc6 31.Rd2 Bb4 32.Rd1 Bc5
33.Rb1 Qa7 34.Qxh5 Bxf2+ 35.Kh2 Be1
36.Rb8+ Rf8 37.Rxf8+ Kxf8 (34.458.079.485) 1440
SB:11.663.651

Can any one see an improvment for the 24...Ba6 line for white?

If not I may turbo.......
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23.Be1 Be back Monday!
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Chess,J - Hiarcs 12, 600'/10 HIARCS


Analysis by Hiarcs 12:


= (-0.01) 25.Qxh5 g6 26.Qd1 Bc4 27.Rc3 Qxb4 28.Bc2 Ra8 29.h5 Bf6 30.hxg6 Nxg6 31.Rf3 Qe7 32.Na5 Ne5 33.Re3 Qc5 34.Nb3 01:14:39

(Chess, HIARCS 18.07.2008)
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Hey Watchman, what do you have against 23.Nxe5 ? Without a line that refutes perhaps it's going to win.

And I won't be able to post the move in time so I'm going to play it in about 12 hours.
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23. Be1
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Dylan Sharp wrote:Hey Watchman, what do you have against 23.Nxe5 ? Without a line that refutes perhaps it's going to win.
I have 23.Nxe5 Nxe5 24.Nb3 f5 25.Bc3 fxe4 26.Nc5 Nf3+ 27.Kh1 Bd5 28.Bxe4 Qc6

or 25...Bxe4 26.Bxe4 fxe4 27.Nc5 Ng4

Both seem to draw as well as Eric's 25.Rd1 (looks good so far to me)

23.Be1 is just what I spent the most time on.
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