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sje wrote:
Steve B wrote:
sje wrote:
Steve B wrote:the pieces are large,solid to the touch and heavy
Which piece set did you get?
Classic Set
http://www.flickr.com/photos/10261668@N ... 7087821003
I've thought about getting a DGT Classic piece set as my spare, but I'm not so sure about having ebonized pieces.

The default DGT Timeless set has natural color, but the piece styling is not exactly what I prefer.
changing the subject to the Rev ll's Engines...
you might find this of interest
http://www.flickr.com/photos/10261668@N ... 7087821003

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Steve B wrote:changing the subject to the Rev ll's Engines...
you might find this of interest
http://www.flickr.com/photos/10261668@N ... 7087821003

:P Regards
Steve
Hi Steve,

I'm curious about the packing the board came with: Did it came in a box? A collectable one?

Only asking because mine came end of september (for testing purposes) in the storage bag wrapped in a plastic bag tossed in a cardboard box...

now there's a change of subject regards

Xavier
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xchessg wrote:
Steve B wrote:changing the subject to the Rev ll's Engines...
you might find this of interest
http://www.flickr.com/photos/10261668@N ... 7087821003

:P Regards
Steve
Hi Steve,

I'm curious about the packing the board came with: Did it came in a box? A collectable one?

Only asking because mine came end of september (for testing purposes) in the storage bag wrapped in a plastic bag tossed in a cardboard box...

now there's a change of subject regards

Xavier
Hi Xavier
nothing special about the box
normal UPS box ..arrived just as you described it
i'll keep the box though ..in case i ever need to ship the Rev ll anywhere

Boxing Helena Regards
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All Rev II owners should bookmark this web page
it is the official page for the Rev II:

WWW.REVELATIONii.com

the page has software downloads that are needed to enable the RevII to connect by Bluetooth(for future firmware updates) and also software needed to use the board as a normal DGT board
i am also told you will be able to register the board on this site for warranty purposes

Staying Current Regards
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Steve B wrote:We begin the testing of the speed up's achieved in the REV II for the emulations

the testing methods used are in the thread where i tested the Rev I speed ups...
http://hiarcs.net/forums/viewtopic.php?p=46625#46625


i have updated the results to include the REV ll in BOLD RED

After only two tests the preliminary results are astonishing
Rev ll emulations are running about 3x faster then the Rev I and close to 9x faster then the original modules
:shock:

Rev II-Amsterdam......152 Sec.
Rev-Amsterdam.......470 Sec.
Amsterdam Module......1695 Sec.
Rev I-speedup achieved...3.61x
Rev II-speedup Achieved...8.97x

Rev II-Dallas.....183 Sec.
Rev-Dallas.....575 Sec.
Dallas Module.....2040 Sec.
Rev I-speedup achieved...3.55x
Rev II-speedup Achieved...8.97x

The Testing Continues Regards
Steve
The Speedup's just keep on getting better...

Rev II-Roma.....186 Sec.
Rev-Roma......595 Sec.
Roma Module.......2075 Sec.
Rev I-speedup achieved...3.49x
Rev II-speedup Achieved...11.16x

Rev II-Almeria....52Sec.
Rev-Almeria.....194 Sec.
Almeria Module.......597 Sec.
Rev I-speedup achieved...3.1x
Rev II-speedup Achieved...11.48x

Rev II-Portorose....47Sec.
Rev-Portorose.....180 Sec.
Portorose Module.......538 Sec.
Rev I-speedup achieved...3.0x
Rev II-speedup Achieved...11.44x

Rev II-Lyon....46Sec.
Rev-Lyon.....172 Sec.
Lyon Module.....510 Sec.
Rev I-speedup achieved...2.97x
Rev II-speedup Achieved...11.08x

Amazed Regards
Steve
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Steve when seting up a position, how the board knows is black or white turn?

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chesspcmac wrote:Steve when seting up a position, how the board knows is black or white turn?

Mike
Hi Mike
the color of the last piece you place on the board is the side to move
so if you want White to move first..
set up the position and then lift up a white piece and place it back down

Piece and Color Recognition Regards
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Steve B wrote:
Steve B wrote:We begin the testing of the speed up's achieved in the REV II for the emulations

the testing methods used are in the thread where i tested the Rev I speed ups...
http://hiarcs.net/forums/viewtopic.php?p=46625#46625


i have updated the results to include the REV ll in BOLD RED

After only two tests the preliminary results are astonishing
Rev ll emulations are running about 3x faster then the Rev I and close to 9x faster then the original modules
:shock:

Rev II-Amsterdam......152 Sec.
Rev-Amsterdam.......470 Sec.
Amsterdam Module......1695 Sec.
Rev I-speedup achieved...3.61x
Rev II-speedup Achieved...8.97x

Rev II-Dallas.....183 Sec.
Rev-Dallas.....575 Sec.
Dallas Module.....2040 Sec.
Rev I-speedup achieved...3.55x
Rev II-speedup Achieved...8.97x

The Testing Continues Regards
Steve
The Speedup's just keep on getting better...

Rev II-Roma.....186 Sec.
Rev-Roma......595 Sec.
Roma Module.......2075 Sec.
Rev I-speedup achieved...3.49x
Rev II-speedup Achieved...11.16x

Rev II-Almeria....52Sec.
Rev-Almeria.....194 Sec.
Almeria Module.......597 Sec.
Rev I-speedup achieved...3.1x
Rev II-speedup Achieved...11.48x

Rev II-Portorose....47Sec.
Rev-Portorose.....180 Sec.
Portorose Module.......538 Sec.
Rev I-speedup achieved...3.0x
Rev II-speedup Achieved...11.44x

Rev II-Lyon....46Sec.
Rev-Lyon.....172 Sec.
Lyon Module.....510 Sec.
Rev I-speedup achieved...2.97x
Rev II-speedup Achieved...11.08x

Amazed Regards
Steve
Rev II-Vancouver....98Sec.
Rev-Vancouver.....352 Sec.
Vancouver Module.....1395 Sec.
Rev I-speedup achieved...3.96x
Rev II-speedup Achieved...14.23x

in preparation to test the London modules i was reminded of the fact that i do not own the London 68000 modules while i do own the 020 and 030 London modules
i therefore tested the speedup achieved against the London 68020 modules


Rev II-London....72Sec.
Rev-London 68000.....264 Sec.
London 68020 Module.....451 Sec
Rev I-speedup achieved...1.71x
Rev II-speedup Achieved...6.26x

Schroeder Emulations Next Regards
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Hi Steve, I cant thank you enough for making all this great info available to us. The only drawback for me is that its making the wait for my machine feel intolerable. At a 6+ speedup for the London Rev II, I should imagine that the wundermachine will have its work cut out to match this beast. Incidentally, do you know how many games can be saved on the Rev II?

David vs Goliath regards,

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paulhuk wrote:Hi Steve, I cant thank you enough for making all this great info available to us. The only drawback for me is that its making the wait for my machine feel intolerable. At a 6+ speedup for the London Rev II, I should imagine that the wundermachine will have its work cut out to match this beast. Incidentally, do you know how many games can be saved on the Rev II?

David vs Goliath regards,

Paul H
Actually Paul
if you look at my post
i dont have the London 68000 module
so the test was performed against the London 68020 module
my guess is that the Rev II is running somewhere around 11-14x faster then the London 68k module

Good question for the number of saved games
actually i dont know
i checked all the manuals dating back to the Resurrection I and there is no mention of the actual total number
i fooled around a bit and was easily able to save and load 10 games
the number of the game is displayed with 6 digits like this
for game 5....000005
so perhaps 999,999 games??

:shock: Regards :shock:
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Many thanks Steve. 11 - 14x!!! Unbelievable. Good news about the huge game save if true.

Utterly Monstrous Regards,

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Well, I am a little bit confused ... I wrote several times that the 68.000 Emulations are now running like a original Mephisto TM Vancouver 68.030 with 66 MHz ... so why is everyone now suprised that they are 11x faster than a 68.000 12 MHz? :?:

Seems nobody read my postings Regards,
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Mythbuster wrote:Well, I am a little bit confused ... I wrote several times that the 68.000 Emulations are now running like a original Mephisto TM Vancouver 68.030 with 66 MHz ... so why is everyone now suprised that they are 11x faster than a 68.000 12 MHz? :?:

Seems nobody read my postings Regards,
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And they should read your posts!
you are the guy who developed the emulations for the Phoenix computers in the first place
i of course read your posts and trust 100% what you wrote but i also like to ...
Verify Regards
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Steve B wrote:
Steve B wrote:
Steve B wrote:We begin the testing of the speed up's achieved in the REV II for the emulations

the testing methods used are in the thread where i tested the Rev I speed ups...
http://hiarcs.net/forums/viewtopic.php?p=46625#46625


i have updated the results to include the REV ll in BOLD RED

After only two tests the preliminary results are astonishing
Rev ll emulations are running about 3x faster then the Rev I and close to 9x faster then the original modules
:shock:

Rev II-Amsterdam......152 Sec.
Rev-Amsterdam.......470 Sec.
Amsterdam Module......1695 Sec.
Rev I-speedup achieved...3.61x
Rev II-speedup Achieved...8.97x

Rev II-Dallas.....183 Sec.
Rev-Dallas.....575 Sec.
Dallas Module.....2040 Sec.
Rev I-speedup achieved...3.55x
Rev II-speedup Achieved...8.97x

The Testing Continues Regards
Steve
The Speedup's just keep on getting better...

Rev II-Roma.....186 Sec.
Rev-Roma......595 Sec.
Roma Module.......2075 Sec.
Rev I-speedup achieved...3.49x
Rev II-speedup Achieved...11.16x

Rev II-Almeria....52Sec.
Rev-Almeria.....194 Sec.
Almeria Module.......597 Sec.
Rev I-speedup achieved...3.1x
Rev II-speedup Achieved...11.48x

Rev II-Portorose....47Sec.
Rev-Portorose.....180 Sec.
Portorose Module.......538 Sec.
Rev I-speedup achieved...3.0x
Rev II-speedup Achieved...11.44x

Rev II-Lyon....46Sec.
Rev-Lyon.....172 Sec.
Lyon Module.....510 Sec.
Rev I-speedup achieved...2.97x
Rev II-speedup Achieved...11.08x

Amazed Regards
Steve
Rev II-Vancouver....98Sec.
Rev-Vancouver.....352 Sec.
Vancouver Module.....1395 Sec.
Rev I-speedup achieved...3.96x
Rev II-speedup Achieved...14.23x

in preparation to test the London modules i was reminded of the fact that i do not own the London 68000 modules while i do own the 020 and 030 London modules
i therefore tested the speedup achieved against the London 68020 modules


Rev II-London....72Sec.
Rev-London 68000.....264 Sec.
London 68020 Module.....451 Sec
Rev I-speedup achieved...1.71x
Rev II-speedup Achieved...6.26x

Schroeder Emulations Next Regards
Steve
Schroeder Emulations....

Rev II-Rebel 3.0....75Sec.
Rev I-Rebel 3.0......154 Sec.
Rebel 3.0 module......696 Sec.
Rev I-speedup achieved....4.5x
Rev II-speedup Achieved...10.78x


Rev II-MMIV....58Sec.
Rev-MMIV......130 Sec.
MMIV module.....600 Sec.
Rev I-speedup achieved...4.6x
Rev II-speedup Achieved...10.34x

Rev II-MMV....73Sec.
Rev- MMV......154 Sec.
MMV module.....696 Sec.
Rev I-speedup achieved...4.5x
Rev II-speedup Achieved...9.53x

Rev II-Polgar....66Sec.
Rev I-Polgar.....145 Sec.
Polgar module.....615 Sec.
Rev I-speedup achieved....4.25x
Rev II-speedup Achieved...9.32x


Rev II-Polgar 10....66Sec.
Rev I-Polgar 10.....145 Sec.
Polgar 10 module .....307 Sec.
Rev I-Speedup Achieved...2.12x
Rev II-speedup Achieved...4.65x

there remains 4 emulatons to be tested
Glasgow
Diablo
Super Expert B
Super Expert C

at this point if i had to pick one number as a rule of thumb i would say the Emulations running in the REV ll are running at 10x faster then the original modules

Fantastic Regards
Steve
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Steve B wrote: i of course read your posts and trust 100% what you wrote but i also like to ...
Verify Regards
Steve
:P
Slightly OT (but who cares :lol: )

I knew that saying was attrib'd to Ronnie Reagan... but I enjoyed seeing it so much I decided just to wiki it.

Wiki says it is a Russian proverb -- which I found Reagan's use of it absolutely knee-slapping funny.

rofl regards,
-Rob
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