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Mark Uniacke wrote:
This opponent looks better matched at that level:
189 R30 v. 2.5 2272 42 -38 343 69% 2135

Where would the Gideon version rank on the R30?

I found this on SSDF:
206 Chess Machine 30-32 MHz Schr?der 3.1 2208 28 -27 646 63% 2119
Yes I had a feeling though that the better hash and knowledge still kind of outmuscled R30 at the 2271 setting.

With Chess machines it can be a little confusing. There are 2 32 Bit 512K versions:

30 MHz with Schroeder and King programs is in actual fact half the speed around 15 MHz.
32 MHz plays at 32 MHz and has a Gold colored ARM chip. It plays at 32 MHz.

The 30 MHz (15 MHz) 32 bit CM Card (512K cards) is maybe around the same program strength as R30 or possibly just slightly less. ie King 2.5 R30 might be a touch stronger than CM 30 Mhz King 2.54

CM 32 MHz however I think is a touch stronger than R30. Since I have the R30 out I will do my tests and see how they compare.

Regarding King 2.5 or 2.2 versus Gideon 3.1 these are about equal in strength (not much in it). Gideon 3.0 on the CM cards might be a touch weaker than King 2.5 or 2.2.

Then in addition you have the CM 1024K 16 Bit with 14 or 15 MHz which are weaker than the CM 30 32 bit 512K cards.

Lastly there also exists a CM 30 32 Bit 128K card which is about similar strength as CM1024K 16 Bit cards.

It is all so very confusing :) not going to even mention the external CM's and Amiga card.

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I suggest we continue the match v the R30 as soon as possible with Hiarcs at 2150 and see how we go from there?
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Harvey Williamson wrote:I suggest we continue the match v the R30 as soon as possible with Hiarcs at 2150 and see how we go from there?
Hi Harvey,

How about this weekend? Against who do you want to play?

Portorose, R30 Gideon or R30 King?

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This weekend I can probably do 1 game at 1300 playchess time 1200 UK but then I have to go to work. The following weekend might work. However i am at the London Classic helping run the VIP room but I don't need to be there until late afternoon so as long as the wifi in my Hotel is good I can play. I think we should continue against the R30 until we find the 'sweet' spot which I think will be around 2150.
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Harvey Williamson wrote:This weekend I can probably do 1 game at 1300 playchess time 1200 UK but then I have to go to work. The following weekend might work. However i am at the London Classic helping run the VIP room but I don't need to be there until late afternoon so as long as the wifi in my Hotel is good I can play. I think we should continue against the R30 until we find the 'sweet' spot which I think will be around 2150.
OK we can do the R30 Gideon return match Saturday and we can do R30 King the following week. 13.00 Playchess time is fine for me on Saturday. (6.00 AM central time here).

I look forward to the game.

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I have a question with Hiarcs. If you set it to 2150 ELO. Does it hold that strength irrespective of Hardware. Or do different computers have to find their own sweet spot?

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spacious_mind wrote:I have a question with Hiarcs. If you set it to 2150 ELO. Does it hold that strength irrespective of Hardware. Or do different computers have to find their own sweet spot?

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should be the same regardless of hardware used. I think it works better in H14 than it did in H13
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Harvey Williamson wrote:
spacious_mind wrote:I have a question with Hiarcs. If you set it to 2150 ELO. Does it hold that strength irrespective of Hardware. Or do different computers have to find their own sweet spot?

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should be the same regardless of hardware used. I think it works better in H14 than it did in H13
Well if that is case then I should buy H14 and play around with it.

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Just a reminder about match being played between Tasc R30 Gideon versus Hiarcs 14 set at ELO 2175, tomorrow at 13.00 Playchess (Germany) time - 6.00 AM US Central time.

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Hiarcs set at 2150 today. We agreed a draw as neither side was making progress. Latar analysis, with full strength Hiarcs, shows that it was possible for white to win but not when set at 2150. Both sides had chances in this game.

[Event ""]
[Site "Café"]
[Date "2015.11.28"]
[Round "5"]
[White "Hiarcs 2150 elo"]
[Black "R30"]
[Result "1/2-1/2"]
[ECO "D05"]
[PlyCount "132"]
[EventDate "2015.11.28"]
[TimeControl ""]

1. d4 {44} d5 {7} 2. e3 {11} e6 {6} 3. Nf3 {10} Nf6 {61} 4. b3 {9} Ne4 {63} 5.
Bd2 {53} c5 {45} 6. Nc3 {41} Nxd2 {56} 7. Qxd2 {110} cxd4 {8} 8. Nxd4 {103} Bb4
{66} 9. a3 {8} Qa5 {55} 10. Ndb5 {57} a6 {56} 11. Rd1 {53} Be7 {14} 12. b4 {38}
Qd8 {10} 13. Nd4 {38} a5 {9} 14. Bb5+ {93} Bd7 {108} 15. Bxd7+ {23} Nxd7 {21}
16. e4 {11} axb4 {49} 17. axb4 {11} Bxb4 {12} 18. Nde2 {74} Ra3 {50} 19. exd5 {
145} Qc7 {53} 20. dxe6 {10} fxe6 {45} 21. O-O {63} Bxc3 {8} 22. Qe3 {27} Qb6 {
23} 23. Qg3 {41} Bb2 {49} 24. c3 {15} g6 {10} 25. Rd6 {53} Qb3 {13} 26. Qd3 {78
} Nf8 {47} 27. Rd8+ {88} Kf7 {51} 28. Rb8 {114} Qd5 {11} 29. Qxd5 {47} exd5 {22
} 30. Rxb7+ {7} Nd7 {25} 31. Rxb2 {11} Ke6 {33} 32. Rd1 {66} Ra5 {52} 33. Nd4+
{27} Kf6 {121} 34. f4 {63} Rc8 {79} 35. Rb7 {41} Nf8 {12} 36. Re1 {58} Rxc3 {61
} 37. Re8 {22} Ra1+ {61} 38. Kf2 {8} Ra2+ {68} 39. Ne2 {104} Ne6 {12} 40. Rb6 {
8} d4 {51} 41. Rbxe6+ {69} Kg7 {78} 42. R8e7+ {8} Kf8 {22} 43. Rxh7 {13} d3 {19
} 44. Ra7 {10} Rxe2+ {49} 45. Rxe2 {13} dxe2 {38} 46. Kxe2 {7} Rc2+ {21} 47.
Kf3 {19} Rc3+ {63} 48. Kg4 {113} Rc2 {77} 49. Kh3 {9} Rf2 {13} 50. Kg3 {33} Rc2
{70} 51. h4 {44} Kg8 {76} 52. Kf3 {35} Rc3+ {34} 53. Kg4 {9} Rc2 {70} 54. Kf3 {
16} Rc3+ {101} 55. Kg4 {11} Rc2 {107} 56. g3 {15} Rc5 {132} 57. Rd7 {61} Kf8 {
166} 58. Kf3 {74} Rc3+ {50} 59. Kg4 {107} Rc5 {36} 60. Ra7 {109} Kg8 {35} 61.
Rb7 {9} Kf8 {47} 62. Kf3 {62} Rc3+ {37} 63. Kg4 {9} Rc5 {30} 64. Rd7 {28} Kg8 {
42} 65. Kf3 {44} Rc3+ {62} 66. Kg4 {26} Rc5 {30 Anybody offers a draw (Lag:
Av=0.36s, max=1.4s)} 1/2-1/2
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When we played yesterday I had forgotten that R30 Gideon played Black in the first game so when I invited Harvey yesterday I had invited him with Gideon playing black again. Which means that we might have to play another couple of games with Gideon as white to even things up :)

Anyway here is the first game again in which Hiarcs 14 was set at 2200 ELO:

Game 1: Hiarcs 14-2200 ELO - Tasc R30 Gideon

[Event "Friendly Game, 120m+30s"]
[Site "Playchess, Chess Café"]
[Date "2015.11.21"]
[Round "1"]
[White "Hiarcs 14-2200 ELO, 60/30."]
[Black "Tasc R30 Gideon, 60/30."]
[Result "1/2-1/2"]
[ECO "B32"]
[PlyCount "101"]
[EventDate "2015.11.21"]

1. e4 c5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. d4 cxd4 4. Nxd4 e5 5. Nb5 a6 6. Nd6+ Bxd6 7. Qxd6 Qf6 8.
Qd2 Nge7 9. Nc3 d6 10. b3 {Tasc R30 Gideon out of book} Bd7 {Hiarcs 14-2200
out of book} 11. Bd3 Nd4 12. Ba3 Qg6 13. f4 exf4 14. Qxf4 Rc8 15. Qf2 Rxc3 16.
Qxd4 Qxg2 17. Rg1 Qxh2 18. Bxd6 Qh4+ 19. Kd2 Rc6 20. Qxg7 Rf8 21. Bg3 Qh5 22.
Qe5 Qxe5 23. Bxe5 Rg6 24. Rh1 h6 25. Raf1 Nc6 26. Bf4 Rh8 27. Bc4 Rg2+ 28. Kc3
b5 29. Bd5 b4+ 30. Kb2 Rg6 31. Bd2 Rh7 32. e5 Rg4 33. Bf3 Rg3 34. Rh5 Rxf3 35.
Rxf3 Bg4 36. Rf6 Bxh5 37. Rxc6 a5 38. e6 Bf3 39. Rc8+ Ke7 40. exf7 Rxf7 41. Rc5
a4 42. bxa4 h5 43. Rc4 Ke6 44. Bxb4 Rb7 45. a5 Kf5 46. a3 Be4 47. Rc5+ Kg4 48.
a6 Rb6 49. a7 Ra6 50. Re5 Bf3 51. Re7 1/2-1/2

Hiarcs 14-2200ELO came out of the opening with advantage and increased upon it throughout the game.

[fen]4k3/3b1p1r/p1n4p/4P3/1p6/1P3Br1/PKPB4/5R1R w - - 0 34[/fen]

As a result of this continuous advantage you arrive at this critical position above. Here is where Hiarcs missed a probable win when it played 34. Rh5? The winning move here I think is 34. Be4!

The winning move would probably have resulted in the following continuation:

34.Be4 Rh8 35.Rf6

[fen]4k2r/3b1p2/p1n2R1p/4P3/1p2B3/1P4r1/PKPB4/7R w - - 0 35[/fen]

From the above position after 34. Be4! R30 Gideon would have started to lose some pawns.

Anyway after Hiarcs 14-2200 ELO played 34. Rh5? R30 Gideon immediately pounced on a Rook pin that forced some exchanges which resulted in the following position.

[fen]2R5/4kr2/7p/p7/1p6/1P3b2/PKPB4/8 w - - 0 41[/fen]

The final position below still held a good advantage to Hiarcs, but with wrong colored Bishops it would have been really hard to win, if it were possible at all.


Final Position


[fen]8/P3R3/r7/7p/1B4k1/P4b2/1KP5/8 w - - 0 51[/fen]

A draw was agreed in this position.

Game 2 - Hiarcs 14-2150 ELO - Tasc R30 Gideon

After the lucky draw in Game 1, we had both felt that Hiarc 14 with a setting of 2200 ELO might still be a touch too strong, therefore yesterday we played with Hiarcs 14 set at 2150 ELO.

[Event "Friendly Game, 120m+30s"]
[Site "Café"]
[Date "2015.11.28"]
[Round "?"]
[White "Hiarcs 14-2150 ELO, 60/30."]
[Black "Tasc R30 Gideon, 60/30."]
[Result "1/2-1/2"]
[ECO "D05"]
[PlyCount "132"]
[EventDate "2015.11.28"]

1. d4 d5 2. e3 e6 3. Nf3 {Tasc R30 Gideon out of book} Nf6 4. b3 Ne4 {Hiarcs
14-2150 out of book} 5. Bd2 c5 6. Nc3 Nxd2 7. Qxd2 cxd4 8. Nxd4 Bb4 9. a3 Qa5
10. Ndb5 a6 11. Rd1 Be7 12. b4 Qd8 13. Nd4 a5 14. Bb5+ Bd7 15. Bxd7+ Nxd7 16.
e4 axb4 17. axb4 Bxb4 18. Nde2 Ra3 19. exd5 Qc7 20. dxe6 fxe6 21. O-O Bxc3 22.
Qe3 Qb6 23. Qg3 Bb2 24. c3 g6 25. Rd6 Qb3 26. Qd3 Nf8 27. Rd8+ Kf7 28. Rb8 Qd5
29. Qxd5 exd5 30. Rxb7+ Nd7 31. Rxb2 Ke6 32. Rd1 Ra5 33. Nd4+ Kf6 34. f4 Rc8
35. Rb7 Nf8 36. Re1 Rxc3 37. Re8 Ra1+ 38. Kf2 Ra2+ 39. Ne2 Ne6 40. Rb6 d4 41.
Rbxe6+ Kg7 42. R8e7+ Kf8 43. Rxh7 d3 44. Ra7 Rxe2+ 45. Rxe2 dxe2 46. Kxe2 Rc2+
47. Kf3 Rc3+ 48. Kg4 Rc2 49. Kh3 Rf2 50. Kg3 Rc2 51. h4 Kg8 52. Kf3 Rc3+ 53.
Kg4 Rc2 54. Kf3 Rc3+ 55. Kg4 Rc2 56. g3 Rc5 57. Rd7 Kf8 58. Kf3 Rc3+ 59. Kg4
Rc5 60. Ra7 Kg8 61. Rb7 Kf8 62. Kf3 Rc3+ 63. Kg4 Rc5 64. Rd7 Kg8 65. Kf3 Rc3+
66. Kg4 Rc5 1/2-1/2

This time R30 Gideon came out of the opening with a good advantage.

[fen]4k2r/1pqn2pp/4p3/8/8/r1b1Q3/2P1NPPP/3R1RK1 w k - 0 22[/fen]

The above position is where R30 Gideon probably missed a win. 22. ... Qe5! is the correct and best move in the above position. And would have probably resulted in this continuation:

22...Qe5 23.Rd3 Qxe3 24.Rxe3 Bb4 25.Rxe6+ Kf7

[fen]7r/1p1n1kpp/4R3/8/1b6/r7/2P1NPPP/5RK1 w - - 0 26[/fen]

With a Bishop for a Pawn, R30 Gideon could have won this endgame.

[fen]4k2r/1p1n3p/1q1Rp1p1/8/8/r1P3Q1/1b2NPPP/5RK1 w k - 0 25[/fen]

All R30 Gideon advantages disappeared after it played 25. ... Qb3?. Probably 25. ... Qc7 would have been better. But anyhow from this point onwards the game belongs to Hiarcs to win.

Final Position

[fen]6k1/3R4/6p1/2r5/5PKP/6P1/8/8 w - - 0 67[/fen]

Harvey offered a draw in this position. But I am not so sure if R30 Gideon would have held the position. The move I think that Hiarcs 14-2150 ELO kept missing on is Re7 followed by Re5, which I think eventually it would have found and I think eventually would have resulted in a Hiarcs win.

Anyhow I thought these two games were very interesting and both programs played hard.

Next Saturday I believe we plan to continue to test the 2150 ELO setting but this time I will try R30 King 2.5 against the beast to see if it has better luck.

Also after playing through these games I am convinced that I should buy Hiarcs 14 and perhaps load it into Mysticum as well. With Mystcum the throttling wont work but since I can play my Mysticum without software speed reduction anywhere between 500 Mhz and 1000 MHz in 50 MHz increments, I am quite sure that Hiarcs 14 will turn out to be a great opponent for the Gavons.

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Hi Nick,

Am not going to be able to play this weekend. Hopefully we can continue soon!

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Harvey Williamson wrote:Hi Nick,

Am not going to be able to play this weekend. Hopefully we can continue soon!

Harvey

Hi Harvey,

Thanks, look forward to the continuation when able.

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spacious_mind wrote:
Harvey Williamson wrote:Hi Nick,

Am not going to be able to play this weekend. Hopefully we can continue soon!

Harvey

Hi Harvey,

Thanks, look forward to the continuation when able.

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When you guys resume your match...
may i suggest festive lighting adorn the playing hall in the spirit of the Holiday Season:


ImagePortorose 020 Blue Display Module

ImagePortorose 020 Yellow Display Module

Decking The Halls Regards
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Steve B wrote:
When you guys resume your match...
may i suggest festive lighting adorn the playing hall in the spirit of the Holiday Season:


ImagePortorose 020 Blue Display Module

ImagePortorose 020 Yellow Display Module

Decking The Halls Regards
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Hi Steve,

Yep, I see you have had some repaired display modules! That's always the problems with the 32 bit displays. They fail in time.

ps. Got you covered :wink: Ruling out mods :P (j/k) regards
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