Mephisto Atlanta on ebay

[Steve B]

Sorry the previous list still had some duplications here is the more accurate list:

Is there an edit function for your posts here ?

regards

Nick

Yes Nick there is

look at the top right hand corner of your post and you will see an Edit button
however you only have 30 minutes since you made the post to edit it ..then the button is no longer active

as to the .info online tournament performance rating for the Atlanta/Magellan
way too high i think for the Atlanta's true strength
but i imagine the games are played at "active chess" time controls so perhaps this is closer to an active rating for the Atlanta

you .info boys show the 40/2 rating for the Atlanta at 2195 after 563 games and that is a tad too low i think

now Selective Search shows 2224 which i think is just about right
the last time Hallsworth published the number of games used in the rating for the Atlanta/Magellan it was something like 985 games or close to that


Regards From Georgia
Steve

[Robert Weck]

Hi Nick,

Since I really do not think that any dedicated chess computers are exceptional in endgames, I do not see how Atlanta is that much worse then any of the other top dedicated computers in this area.

To my experience, the Atlanta lacks some endgame knowledge, but its hash-tables often overcome this; i had some games, where it could easily withstand strong Lang computers (which are famous for their endgame capabilities)

For me the Atlanta is a very desirable computer (i don't want to miss it)


Morsch regards,
Robert

[spacious_mind]

Sorry the previous list still had some duplications here is the more accurate list:

Is there an edit function for your posts here ?

regards

Nick

Yes Nick there is

look at the top right hand corner of your post and you will see an Edit button
however you only have 30 minutes since you made the post to edit it ..then the button is no longer active

as to the .info online tournament performance rating for the Atlanta/Magellan
way too high i think for the Atlanta's true strength
but i imagine the games are played at "active chess" time controls so perhaps this is closer to an active rating for the Atlanta

you .info boys show the 40/2 rating for the Atlanta at 2195 after 563 games and that is a tad too low i think

now Selective Search shows 2224 which i think is just about right
the last time Hallsworth published the number of games used in the rating for the Atlanta/Magellan it was something like 985 games or close to that


Regards From Georgia
Steve

Steve:
I put this together based on purely the score results from Schachinfo Online WM 1, 2 and 3. So this is the Tournament score based on its successes in this tournament. The intent is to show you who Atlanta is rubbing shoulders with in these 3 tournaments. Within these 3 Tournaments played online that is Atlanta's performance 5th out of 59 and that is the ELO inside these 3 tournaments. Atlanta's average oppnent ELO is amongst the highest on this list and 81 games is the most played. This tells me that Atlanta likes to slug it out.

I know his 81 game WM perfomance is about 50 ELO higher then his Aktivlist ELO. But then again I know the conditions Atlanta played under in the WM. So it is not that far off.

PS Steve, the edit function only works so long as you stay logged on. If you log off then realise you need to edit the post and log in again you cannot do this or at least I could not yesterday.

All the best

[Terry McCracken]

My friend had one of these Atlanta's and I told him he was better off using a Pocket PC with a decent engine loaded.To prove my point I played a 30/30 game with my basic PPC loaded with Fruit 2.1 engine and had the PPC play black.To my embarrasment the Atlanta won and I remember looking at the evaluations of both computers and could see that both were saying Black was losing and was hoping the Atlanta would somehow slip up.But the PPC got revenge in the next 2 games.And my friend ended up selling his Atlanta for a miserable $125 New Zealand which is about $100 US.

This thread is about collecting/buying dedicated chess computers not what PC program on a PPC could or would do to a dedicated chess computer. The Atlanta is more for collecting than playing so there is no reason to dismiss the Atlanta.

Your advice cost your friend about $200 US.

Terry

My post was praising the Atlanta and the topic was to do with selling an Atlanta on Ebay.In New Zealand there is a local Auction site called TradeMe and only people in NZ or Australia are allowed to bid.It was on the auction site for over a week and failed to get any bids.Then it was relisted at the same price hoping to see if there was more interest.But in the end only 1 person bidded and I had to sell it.This was before I knew how valuable these dedicated units are.In hindsight I wish I had just paid my friend the $125 and kept it myself.As I am now teaching my 7 year old daughter the game and I think a dedicated machine is better for begginers as it gives them the the satisfaction of moving real chess pieces on a real chessboard.I am now on the lookout for a suitable Dedicated for this purpose.Just like that saying you don't know how much you love somthing till its gone.

First you say to your friend you're better off with a PPC with a decent engine loaded, then you say you're were embarrassed as the Atlanta won, hoping it would lose, and finally you are delighted, (implied), that the PPC won the next two games.

You had to sell it?

You stated your friend sold it. Or were you selling it for him?

You said nothing about your daughter. Non Sequitur

Your story is inconsistent.

Judge Judy Sends Her Regards....

P.S. In your favour you did say he sold it for a paltry sum.

P.P.S. Get your daughter Chessmaster for learning the game, and a DGT Board to play it on if it's within your budget.

[Steve B]

PS Steve, the edit function only works so long as you stay logged on. If you log off then realise you need to edit the post and log in again you cannot do this or at least I could not yesterday.

All the best

Hi Nick

the EDIT function should work for 30 minutes even after you log off and then back on
and even if others post after you in the same thread

the moderators tested this and were able to verify that it does work
try posting and editing again ...i think it will be OK

Letters To The Editor Regards
Steve

[Terry McCracken]

PS Steve, the edit function only works so long as you stay logged on. If you log off then realise you need to edit the post and log in again you cannot do this or at least I could not yesterday.

All the best

Hi Nick

the EDIT function should work for 30 minutes even after you log off and then back on
and even if others post after you in the same thread

the moderators tested this and were able to verify that it does work
try posting and editing again ...i think it will be OK

Letters To The Editor Regards
Steve

So which one of you were the....

Dummy Regards,
Terry

[Steve B]

PS Steve, the edit function only works so long as you stay logged on. If you log off then realise you need to edit the post and log in again you cannot do this or at least I could not yesterday.

All the best

Hi Nick

the EDIT function should work for 30 minutes even after you log off and then back on
and even if others post after you in the same thread

the moderators tested this and were able to verify that it does work
try posting and editing again ...i think it will be OK

Letters To The Editor Regards
Steve

So which one of you were the....

Dummy Regards,
Terry

Strangely Terry
i felt fairly comfortable in that role

Moderation For Dummies Regards
Steve

[Terry McCracken]

PS Steve, the edit function only works so long as you stay logged on. If you log off then realise you need to edit the post and log in again you cannot do this or at least I could not yesterday.

All the best

Hi Nick

the EDIT function should work for 30 minutes even after you log off and then back on
and even if others post after you in the same thread

the moderators tested this and were able to verify that it does work
try posting and editing again ...i think it will be OK

Letters To The Editor Regards
Steve

So which one of you were the....

Dummy Regards,
Terry

Strangely Terry
i felt fairly comfortable in that role

Moderation For Dummies Regards
Steve

Regards,
Terry

[mclane]

This isn't CCC/RGCC, in the future, please keep your cretinous comments over there or better yet to yourself. Otherwise don't post here.

Terry

you now troll in this forum instead CTF ?

[Terry McCracken]

This isn't CCC/RGCC, in the future, please keep your cretinous comments over there or better yet to yourself. Otherwise don't post here.

Terry

you now troll in this forum instead CTF ?

Thorsten, you're the troll...you're just to dumb to see it.

I deleted my CCC/CTF account due to YOU, Chris, a few others, & Swami!

Get Lost....

[Steve B]

In an effort to tie all threads together whenever possible...

From this position posted by Terry:

[fen]4q1kr/p6p/1prQPppB/4n3/4P3/2P5/PP2B2P/R5K1 w - - 0 1 [/fen]

the Atlanta searching at a blistering pace of 3500 NPS(avg.) after 10 minutes and 11 ply ..wants to play ...Qd5..
PV....-.40

i shall let the Atlanta run all day on the position and i will edit this thread posting new results as the day goes along

Abusing The Powers Of Moderator Regards

Steve

Qd5..35 Min..12 ply..PV..+0.00
Qd5..1Hr.18 Min..13 ply..PV..+0.00
Qd5..2Hrs.30 Min..14 ply..PV..-0.10
Qd5..3Hrs.45 Min..14 ply..PV..-0.10
Qd5..6Hrs.15 Min..14 ply..PV..+0.10..(Yawn..)
Qd5..9Hrs.40 Min..15 ply..PV..+0.20..(Zzzzzzz..)
Qd5..13Hrs.10 Min..15 ply..PV..+0.20..(Whose Idea Was This Anyway?)
Qd5..14Hrs.36 Min..15 ply..PV..+0.20..(thats it...i'm otta here)

[Larry]

From this position posted by Terry:

Steve
SapphireII wants to play Qd5 also. But the SapphireII hoots along at
a blistering 4500nps, faster than Atlanta. S2 is running at 32mhz.
If Hiarcs can't find QxN then there is a pretty small chance *any*
dedicated will find it.
regards
Larry

[Wardy]

Have to agree with Larry, much as I'm routing for the Atlanta as I own one.

I doubt even the Revelation would stand a chance against this position.

Maybe if the Atlanta had a month or two............??

[Steve B]

Hi Larry and Paul

its not just the speed
its also the search and evaluation program

Sapphire is Kittinger
Hiarcs is of course is our fearless leader Mark Uniacke

Atlanta is Morsch

will shall see regards
Steve
PS...now please ..no one post a time for Fritz

[Larry]

Sorry the previous list still had some duplications here is the more accurate list:

Program Elo + - Games Score Av.Op. Draws

1 Resurrection Ruffian,Phoenixs : 2393 114 108 40 73.8 % 2214 17.5 %
2 Genius 68030, Mephisto : 2381 91 87 62 75.0 % 2190 17.7 %
3 Elite 68060 V11, Fidelity : 2324 93 91 48 62.5 % 2236 20.8 %
4 R30 V2.2, TASC. : 2322 119 114 33 71.2 % 2164 21.2 %
5 Atlanta, Mephisto : 2310 70 68 81 61.7 % 2227 22.2 %
6 Berlin Pro, Mephisto : 2309 136 132 21 61.9 % 2224 28.6 %
7 Montreux, Mephisto : 2283 107 103 40 66.2 % 2165 17.5 %
8 R30 V2.5, TASC : 2273 75 74 59 60.2 % 2202 32.2 %
9 Lyon 68020 22 MHz, Mephisto : 2240 95 94 38 57.9 % 2185 31.6 %
10 Resurrection Deep Sjeng,Phoenix: 2239 117 115 32 57.8 % 2184 15.6 %
11 Risc 2, Mephisto : 2237 222 207 11 63.6 % 2140 18.2 %
12 Milano Pro, Mephisto : 2224 86 86 47 52.1 % 2209 27.7 %
13 RISC 2500, Saitek : 2221 94 93 43 55.8 % 2180 23.3 %
14 London 68030, Mephisto : 2215 141 136 19 63.2 % 2122 31.6 %
15 Roma 68020, Mephisto : 2181 217 212 8 56.2 % 2138 37.5 %
16 Radioshack 2250XL, Saitek : 2181 241 241 8 50.0 % 2181 25.0 %
17 Sapphire, Novag : 2165 99 99 40 52.5 % 2148 20.0 %
18 Risc 1MB, Mephisto : 2151 120 118 26 55.8 % 2111 26.9 %
19 Sparc, Saitek : 2145 112 110 36 55.6 % 2107 11.1 %
20 Kasparov GK 2100, Saitek : 2140 131 133 23 45.7 % 2170 21.7 %
21 Berlin Pro London, Mephisto : 2132 140 138 22 54.5 % 2100 18.2 %
22 Star Sapphire, Novag : 2118 118 118 30 51.7 % 2106 16.7 %
23 Mach IV, Fidelity : 2110 111 113 29 41.4 % 2170 27.6 %
24 Sapphire II, Novag : 2093 138 138 22 50.0 % 2093 18.2 %
25 Diablo, Novag : 2080 232 240 10 45.0 % 2115 10.0 %
26 ChessMachine 3.1 32 MHz, TASC. : 2060 255 239 8 62.5 % 1971 25.0 %
27 MM V Turbo, Mephisto : 2042 241 241 8 50.0 % 2042 25.0 %
28 Mach III, Fidelity : 2039 137 145 25 34.0 % 2154 12.0 %
29 Diablo 20 MHz, Novag : 2037 212 217 8 43.8 % 2080 37.5 %
30 Portorose 68020, Mephisto : 2022 209 230 8 31.2 % 2159 37.5 %
31 Star Ruby, Novag : 2018 288 326 7 35.7 % 2120 14.3 %
32 Super Forte C 7 Mhz, Novag : 2017 158 164 16 37.5 % 2106 25.0 %
33 Miami 24 MHz, Mephisto : 2007 212 217 8 43.8 % 2051 37.5 %
34 Turquoise, Novag : 2003 212 217 8 43.8 % 2047 37.5 %
35 Modena, Mephisto : 1994 167 180 15 26.7 % 2169 26.7 %
36 Brute Force, Saitek : 1975 312 409 8 25.0 % 2166 0.0 %
37 Mythos, Mephisto : 1968 255 290 7 28.6 % 2127 28.6 %
38 Diablo 24 Mhz, Novag : 1968 334 441 7 28.6 % 2127 0.0 %
39 MM IV Turbo, Mephisto : 1965 288 326 7 35.7 % 2067 14.3 %
40 Grandmaster, Excalibur : 1958 185 204 14 25.0 % 2149 21.4 %
41 Monte Carlo IV LE, Mephisto : 1954 165 306 7 21.4 % 2179 42.9 %
42 Vancouver 68020, Mephisto : 1945 181 195 15 33.3 % 2066 13.3 %
43 Polgar, Mephisto : 1944 185 198 14 35.7 % 2046 14.3 %
44 Cosmos 24 MHz, Saitek : 1942 305 345 8 18.8 % 2197 12.5 %
45 MM V, Mephisto : 1917 154 172 13 26.9 % 2091 38.5 %
46 Milano, Mephisto : 1907 152 167 24 22.9 % 2117 12.5 %
47 Simultano, Saitek : 1902 230 290 14 17.9 % 2167 7.1 %
48 Berlin 68000, Mephisto : 1887 316 342 6 41.7 % 1945 16.7 %
49 Astral Kasparov, Scisys : 1844 457 320 6 16.7 % 2124 0.0 %
50 Travel Champion, Saitek : 1834 305 345 8 18.8 % 2089 12.5 %
51 Playmatic 5 MHz, Fidelity : 1834 369 480 6 33.3 % 1954 0.0 %
52 Decorator, Fidelity : 1825 457 320 6 16.7 % 2104 0.0 %
53 Tiger Grenadier : 1782 426 289 7 14.3 % 2093 0.0 %
54 MM IV, Mephisto : 1695 322 130 8 6.2 % 2166 12.5 %
55 Super Forte C 8 MHz, Novag : 1666 322 130 8 6.2 % 2136 12.5 %
56 Turboking II, Saitek : 1608 0 0 7 0.0 % 2208 0.0 %
57 Chess Challenger 8, Fidelity : 1550 0 0 6 0.0 % 2150 0.0 %
58 Super Constellation, Novag : 1540 320 41 13 3.8 % 2099 7.7 %
59 ARB 4.0, Applied Concepts : 1422 0 0 6 0.0 % 2022 0.0 %


I'd take this rating list with a grain of salt. Prepared by anonymous
people who can't be trusted. Look at the Super Connie...1540! and
below the Chess Challenger '8'. Super
Forte C... 1666. The London Pro a full 180 points below the Berlin Pro.
regards
Larry