Mephisto milano and mephisto Nigel Short

ricard60 · Post by **ricard60** » Thu Dec 17, 2009 1:20 am

I've been told that it is possible to change the eprom inside the mephisto milano for the eprom of the nigel short. Is this true?

Ricardo

Post by **Alain** » Thu Dec 17, 2009 5:34 am

Hi Ricardo,

ricard60 wrote:I've been told that it is possible to change the eprom inside the mephisto milano for the eprom of the nigel short. Is this true?
Ricardo

yes, and there are even auctions for such "fake" Nigel Short computers :
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?Vi ... 0363221258

best regards,
Alain

mclane · Post by **mclane** » Thu Dec 17, 2009 4:00 pm

ricard60 wrote:I've been told that it is possible to change the eprom inside the mephisto milano for the eprom of the nigel short. Is this true?

Ricardo

yes.
the hardware is the same and IMO the program is little stronger due to the fact that the milano plays passive while the newer nigel short
is playing more active.
if you are interested in how they play different you can look in my tournament.
http://schachcomputerwelt.foren-city.de ... orial.html

of course the nigel short in my tournament is 10mhz while the milano is 5 mhz. so you have to take this into account.

i would not say, as steve did, that the ebay machines were "faked".
it is and was a normal procedure for companies to upgrade the machines with NEW eprom versions. fidelity did this with their wooden boards.
budapest version / glasgow version etc. Mephisto sold an upgrade for the Mephisto III S 68000 called AMSTERDAM by richard Lang.
there was the upgrade from MM4 to MM5 (same hardware too) and finally they even "refurbished" the Monte Carlo / Supermondial with different programs from 2 different programmers.

of course collectors are mostly interested in ORIGINAL machines. but sometimes the machines were upgraded by the companies themselves. if you consider e.g. that the fidelity mach III were mainly excel68000 with
upgraded hardware and new software.
The saitek maestro/analyst modules were sold and also upgraded with different Versions in almost the same hardware ... A/B/C/D and the experimental versions D+ and D++. they all used almost similar hardware.

ricard60 · Post by **ricard60** » Thu Dec 17, 2009 11:33 pm

Thanks Alain and mclane,

I ask this because it is easier to find a milano than a nigel short on ebay. But is there anyway i can purchase latter the nigel short eprom?

regards
Ricardo

Monsieur Plastique · Post by **Monsieur Plastique** » Fri Dec 18, 2009 12:58 am

Alain wrote:Hi Ricardo,

ricard60 wrote:I've been told that it is possible to change the eprom inside the mephisto milano for the eprom of the nigel short. Is this true?
Ricardo
yes, and there are even auctions for such "fake" Nigel Short computers :
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?Vi ... 0363221258

best regards,
Alain

How does that converted Milano have the Nigel Short printing on it? Is that just a case of substituting a Nigel Short battery cover? (I have never seen this style of computer in the flesh, thus the question).

Post by **Steve B** » Fri Dec 18, 2009 1:50 am

mclane wrote: i would not say, as steve did, that the ebay machines were "faked".

Actually Thor it was Alain that called it a fake.. not me
but i wish i had

Imposter Regards
Steve

Post by **Steve B** » Fri Dec 18, 2009 2:00 am

Monsieur Plastique wrote:
How does that converted Milano have the Nigel Short printing on it? Is that just a case of substituting a Nigel Short battery cover? (I have never seen this style of computer in the flesh, thus the question).

i guess thats what he did or..he simply posted a photo of a real NS
someone playing fast and loose with Eproms is liable to do anything to sell a schachcomputer i guess
why else the 48 pieces cluttering the chess board?
im betting the board surface is probably all soiled and he wants to cover the squares
Sheesh Regards
Steve

Monsieur Plastique · Post by **Monsieur Plastique** » Fri Dec 18, 2009 4:57 am

Isn't that the same seller who pulled a Super VIP auction only a couple of days into it? I think so.

mclane · Post by **mclane** » Fri Dec 18, 2009 5:54 am

Monsieur Plastique wrote:
Alain wrote:Hi Ricardo,

ricard60 wrote:I've been told that it is possible to change the eprom inside the mephisto milano for the eprom of the nigel short. Is this true?
Ricardo
yes, and there are even auctions for such "fake" Nigel Short computers :
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?Vi ... 0363221258

best regards,
Alain

How does that converted Milano have the Nigel Short printing on it? Is that just a case of substituting a Nigel Short battery cover? (I have never seen this style of computer in the flesh, thus the question).

for upgrading the machine you would need somebody who burns you the new eprom and exchanges it in your milano case.

the battery cover was added with a new printing to make it look more
original... the person doing the upgrade is that much experienced that he knows how to make those letters for upgraded machines.

i bought an upgrade for my MM2 from him. it now runs on
7,4 instead of 3.7 mhz.

mclane · Post by **mclane** » Fri Dec 18, 2009 5:56 am

Steve B wrote:
Monsieur Plastique wrote:
How does that converted Milano have the Nigel Short printing on it? Is that just a case of substituting a Nigel Short battery cover? (I have never seen this style of computer in the flesh, thus the question).
i guess thats what he did or..he simply posted a photo of a real NS
someone playing fast and loose with Eproms is liable to do anything to sell a schachcomputer i guess
why else the 48 pieces cluttering the chess board?
im betting the board surface is probably all soiled and he wants to cover the squares
Sheesh Regards
Steve

??

Post by **Steve B** » Fri Dec 18, 2009 11:52 am

Monsieur Plastique wrote:Isn't that the same seller who pulled a Super VIP auction only a couple of days into it? I think so.

Its Possible
i dont remember exactly
probably this guy decided to yank the Super Vip and is now trying to modify it into a Novag 2Robot

Plastique Surgery Regards
Steve

ricard60 · Post by **ricard60** » Fri Dec 18, 2009 10:52 pm

mclane,
i want to contact this person that can burn the eprom so i can put it into a milano. Is it also true that this can be done with the mephisto polgar?

regards
Ricardo

mclane · Post by **mclane** » Sat Dec 19, 2009 5:56 am

no i don't think.

also the question is: isn't the polgar the strongest ? so maybe there is nothing to upgrade with.

if you want to come in contact with somebody who is technically helpful
concerning the hardware, browse

www.schachcomputer.info

there he normally posts.

Post by **Alain** » Sat Dec 19, 2009 6:05 am

Hi,

mclane wrote:no i don't think.

I think like you because the board management is probably different between Mephisto housing and external boards

mclane wrote:also the question is: isn't the polgar the strongest ? so maybe there is nothing to upgrade with.

I think the strongest is the Nigel Short. Of course, a small tournament is not a proof but I made the three machines play against each other last fall (40 Moves / 2 H) and here are the results (available here) :

Code: Select all

Nigel Short  1 1 1 0 1 0 4.0 
Polgar       0 0 0 1 0 1 2.0 

Nigel Short  1 0 1 0 1 1 4.0 
Milano       0 1 0 1 0 0 2.0 

Polgar       1 0 ½ 0 1 1 3.5 
Milano       0 1 ½ 1 0 0 2.5 

Total &#58;
Nigel Short  8.0 / 12.0
Polgar       5.5 / 12.0
Milano       4.5 / 12.0

Games are available here

Alain

mclane · Post by **mclane** » Sat Dec 19, 2009 11:55 am

i see. thank you. the nigel short is the LATEST ed schroeder for Mephisto.
it was made at a time ed schröder did the chessmachine stuff for task and we can imagine that the sources are the most modern ed shroeder sources (for 8 bit 6502) we can reach.
the nigel short was kind of latest dedicated chess computer they produced before they were bought and overtaken (by saitek) because they were bancrupt.

isn't it ?

so the nigel short is kind of masterpiece.

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