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Brian B wrote:
I wonder how much financial worry dictates people selling these higher priced units? Stock market is down, maybe people think it is time to sell some toys? Look around the house, and here we have a chess computer that no one plays anymore. They aren't registered on Ebay so they have to create an ID to sell something. We might see more of this type of thing if the markets show more volatility.

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Well with the market down yet ANOTHER 300-400 Pts today
... over 1000 Pts in the last 2 weeks ... 2000 Pts in a Year
I am preparing to sell all of my dedicated computers
and that's only the beginning...
Jewelry,Cars..the House..the Pets .. even clothes. Nothing is sacred at this point


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Steve B wrote:Seems like Berlin Pro's are coming out of the woodwork all of a sudden

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Electronic-Ches ... 19f5068daa

Strangely ..as with the previous auction ..this seller is also newly registered and has no completed transactions

Hmmm Regards
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Bidders Beware.
Not only does this guy have no completed transactions, but he's not using actual photos of what he's selling.

Compare:

http://www.spacious-mind.com/html/berli ... ondon.html

Personally, if I were to lay out that amount of cash for a chess computer, I would want to see actual photos of what I was buying.
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Blacksails911 said this (I think he was talking to me):
Hi, I guess I was bidding against you on the Vegas gambit (sorry about that). I stopped bidding at around 600. I need a stronger dedicated, my MM IV does not put up enough opposition (I was a 2400 FIDE in another life). Any recommendations? I hate playing vs software. Where can I get a decent standalone around 2300 strength? Maybe somebody on here wants to sell something? I own an exclusive board and would love to get some stronger cartridges for it.
I can't speak to cartridges. I go for self-contained units. As far as I know, nothing self-contained hits the (subjective) 2300 mark. I'll suggest these options, in order of strength:

Mephisto Milano - in theory, about 60 ticks stronger in ELO than your MM IV, but it's a variant of the same Schroder program, which might feel boring.

Fidelity Designer 2265 or 2325 - the first shows up more often than the second. Both boards are stronger than your MM IV (1980 to 2070 ELO), but they are somewhat rare. Variants appear in Fidelity wooden boards. Limited feature sets.

Mephisto Explorer Pro - a Morsch product, widely and cheaply available (100 USD) in an amusing and unique housing, plays at roughly 2050 ELO. Nice features, small pieces. Approximately equal to Mephisto Chess Challenger and the older GK 2100, but more fun.

Mephisto Master - again, widely available for a reasonable price (200 USD is about right), and kickass strong (2100 ELO on the low side.) Don't be fooled by numbers. This machine is devastating.

Novag Star Diamond - a bit hard to find, expensive, reputed to have a human style, ELO rating ranges from 2100-2150. Stronger than Novag Citrine, an auto-sensory board that is a bit cumbersome on setup, but a joy to play (active ELO rating 2050).

Mephisto Atlanta - hard to find, not cheap, but the best Morsch program available, and the strongest battery-operated dedicated ever made. ELO ranges from 2150 to 2267. A beast.

Apart from this, leaving TASC R30 aside, you're looking at Saitek RISC 2500 and the Mephisto Montreux for de Koning programs. Basically they're clones. Both are strong (2200 to 2250 ELO), both are rare, and both are pricey, but both are worth it, in my opinion.

Excepting the Montreux, I own all the machines mentioned above. I just snagged the Berlin Pro in the auction we're discussing, but...that's partly because I'm hung up on the strongest machines by different programmers. Until this week, I had nothing by Richard Lang - programmer of the Berlin Pro. I have his Chess Genius app on my phone, which is similar to the brain of the Berlin Pro. For me, the opponent is maddeningly difficult - a pure liquidator.

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Hello Guys,

Well maybe u forgot a "beast"
If u have any Fid EAG ore Avant Garde Board , there is a guy a Germany who lives in Italy , who did in the past almost all WC machines for Fidelity ,so he is a hardware specialist Wilfried Bucke
He can make a V11 , this is a V10 program of the Spracklens only then on 72 mhz and 2MB and hits a elo of 2300+
http://www.schach-computer.info/wiki/in ... _V11_68060

Also many machine,s who are that strong are quit rare to get as well and $

Good luck with the search

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I am from Netherlands and many years involved with computerchess
It,s a way of life i suppose :p

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Sargon1972 wrote:Hello Guys,

If u have any Fid EAG ore Avant Garde Board , there is a guy a Germany who lives in Italy.....

He can make a V11 , this is a V10 program of the Spracklens only then on 72 mhz and 2MB and hits a elo of 2300+
http://www.schach-computer.info/wiki/in ... _V11_68060

Leave it to you Hans to recommend a modified computer
:P

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Hey Reinfeld, that's a great post!
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Steve B wrote:
Sargon1972 wrote:Hello Guys,

If u have any Fid EAG ore Avant Garde Board , there is a guy a Germany who lives in Italy.....

He can make a V11 , this is a V10 program of the Spracklens only then on 72 mhz and 2MB and hits a elo of 2300+
http://www.schach-computer.info/wiki/in ... _V11_68060

Leave it to you Hans to recommend a modified computer
:P

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Hello Steve ,

well maybe he is interested in this one ... and original :lol:
http://www.ebay.de/itm/Mephisto-Turnier ... 4188f3ed01

I am glad that i have the fortune to know back then Jan Louwman
I can say , i buy mine TM Vancouver for less what the bid already is now

Big wallet is needed regards
Hans
Hello
I am from Netherlands and many years involved with computerchess
It,s a way of life i suppose :p

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Sargon1972 wrote:maybe he is interested in this one ... and original :lol:
http://www.ebay.de/itm/Mephisto-Turnier ... 4188f3ed01

I am glad that i have the fortune to know back then Jan Louwman
I can say , i buy mine TM Vancouver for less what the bid already is now

Big wallet is needed regards
Hans
Great looking machine, it's just a pity that there is a Lang program inside... Strong enough mind you, but booooring play. When I was young, I had the Genius modules, and was close to giving up on standalone computers, until I obtained the Magellan modules: That was a big change! Suddenly I faced an opponent that was actually attacking me! For years the Genius modules lay about until I read somewhere that they had actually higher ratings then the Magellan set, I just couldn't believe it.

No, Blacksails needs either Magellan or RISC I. Good luck with the hunt. :twisted:

:idea: Your best chance will be these Phoenix modules though, when pressed for time... Pricey, but up there when it comes to playing strenght in a exclusive board.

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Thanks, great info from Reinfeld and others. I actually like the style of the Lang programs. Really solid, caro/slav type openings, tough nuts to crack. I think I need something with hash tables too; otherwise the endings are too weak and I can trick them even in bad positions. That Vancouver looks great, but it's up around the price of the Phoenix. If I wanted to buy a Phoenix module, do I order them online or do I need to contact that Ruud gentlemen? I have a Exclusive board, so I assume I can use that Revelation Gold Module which seems to cost around $2400. If it's 2700 strength I will be banging my head against the wall just like playing the software programs.
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Sargon1972 wrote:
Hello Steve ,

well maybe he is interested in this one ... and original :lol:
http://www.ebay.de/itm/Mephisto-Turnier ... 4188f3ed01


Big wallet is needed regards
Hans
Yes Mega bucks
fine condition..manual looks like a copy
the last one on Ebay i remember seeing was about a year ago and it went for about $2500
this one is already over that with 8 days to go yet

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Steve B wrote: the last one on Ebay i remember seeing was about a year ago and it went for about $2500
Was that the one somewhere in the USA that was pretty rough and
not working? The new owner got it working later, I remember.
This one is in superb condition from what I can see. Did the
Tournament machines come in their own factory produced box?
In terms of investment value, this beats the Phoenix Systems
Resurrection/Revelation machines hands down, IMO. I considered
bidding. Maybe I will, depending on how high it goes. I'm guessing
around Euro3K.
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Larry wrote:
Steve B wrote: the last one on Ebay i remember seeing was about a year ago and it went for about $2500
Was that the one somewhere in the USA that was pretty rough and
not working? The new owner got it working later, I remember.
This one is in superb condition from what I can see. Did the
Tournament machines come in their own factory produced box?

L
Yes thats the one i remember
Yes they came in their own Mephisto boxes
The Mephisto wooden boards were never sold in a good solid box
basically just thick foam packing/inserts surrounded by a thin cardboard sleeve holding the packing together
the sleeve was very tightly fitted around the packing
try removing and replacing the sleeve just a few times ..and they were guaranteed to rip
the TM boxes were the same

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BlackSails911 wrote: I think I need something with hash tables too; otherwise the endings are too weak and I can trick them even in bad positions. That Vancouver looks great, but it's up around the price of the Phoenix. If I wanted to buy a Phoenix module, do I order them online or do I need to contact that Ruud gentlemen? I have a Exclusive board, so I assume I can use that Revelation Gold Module which seems to cost around $2400.
Hello,

You'll find that the lang programs play a very decent endgame, on and beyond your level. you can have the Lang Vancouver emulated on a Phoenix, which allows you to run the program at the speed of the TM-on-ebay-right-now.
About your exclusive though, you mentioned it had a battery compartement (=first generation exclusives), which leads me to think that it might put more then 5V on the modules, you might try to sort that out before you put expensive Mephisto or Phoenix modules in it.

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xchessg wrote:

About your exclusive though, you mentioned it had a battery compartement (=first generation exclusives), which leads me to think that it might put more then 5V on the modules, you might try to sort that out before you put expensive Mephisto or Phoenix modules in it.
I have a Mephisto modular board that I occasionally run my
Portorose 32 bit modules on. Am I taking a risk? Should I run
them on the Munchen board instead?
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Post by Larry »

Steve B wrote:
Yes thats the one i remember
Yes they came in their own Mephisto boxes
The Mephisto wooden boards were never sold in a good solid box
basically just thick foam packing/inserts surrounded by a thin cardboard sleeve holding the packing together
the sleeve was very tightly fitted around the packing
try removing and replacing the sleeve just a few times ..and they were guaranteed to rip
the TM boxes were the same
Ok thanks, Steve. This is how my Munchen board is. You have to be
gentle when unpacking it to use it. It's quite a pain in the *ss really, that's
why I prefer to get the modular board out....fast and simple (just like
some girls I used to know).
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