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PostPosted: Sat Sep 13, 2014 1:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Steve,

I kind of think it would be nice to show the candidate moves beforehand so that the audience can play along at home.

Moscow On The Hudson Regards,
John


OK then
Beforehand it is

After Citrine has completed its calculating i will post its:
1)move
2)score of the position
3)anticipated line of play(Citrine only displays the anticipated line 3 ply deep)

BTW...you mentioned you needed a nice cool day to go get your CyberChess out of storage
its a nice cool..breezy.. 62 degrees today..chilly even
Wink

Passive Agressive Regards
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 13, 2014 2:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Steve B wrote:

BTW...you mentioned you needed a nice cool day to go get your CyberChess out of storage
its a nice cool..breezy.. 62 degrees today..chilly even
Wink

Passive Agressive Regards
Steve

Steve,

I have pressing social commitments on most weekends, so I will most likely get out there some weekday when Iím between work projects and in need of some time off.

Would you care to volunteer and assist me in moving furnishings, checking cartons, etc. We would be out there for the better part of the day, and lunch, of course, would be on me.

Tom Sawyer sends his regards,
John
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 13, 2014 3:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Would you care to volunteer and assist me in moving furnishings, checking cartons, etc. We would be out there for the better part of the day, and lunch, of course, would be on me.


No Rush
By All Means ..take your time

Only Non Physical Labor At My Age Regards
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 14, 2014 8:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

This is cool. I think Nick should weigh in.

Steve said:

Quote:
one thing i was wondering is if it would be more interesting to have John show the six move choices BEFORE Citrine chooses its move (as a human player would see them)
OR
After it chooses its move
it really makes no difference to Citrine as obviously it will not be reading the choices
might be more suspenseful if Citrine has to choose a move "blind" so to speak
on the other hand it might be more interesting for the forum to see the choices while Citrine is on the move
whats your thoughts on that?
any preference?


Perfect idea - "as a human player would see them" - with an added puzzle: How do you give a dedicated a multiple-choice test?

John points to the entertainment factor, and something else:

Quote:
I kind of think it would be nice to show the candidate moves beforehand so that the audience can play along at home.

Moscow On The Hudson Regards,
John


John also correctly notes that precious few quiz books are structured in multiple-choice fashion. That suddenly seems very right. I can think of only one other book (let alone software) that takes the multiple-choice route: that would be the old Larry Evans opening book, "What's the Best Move?"

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PostPosted: Tue Sep 16, 2014 11:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Steve B wrote:
Cyberchess wrote:


Would you care to volunteer and assist me in moving furnishings, checking cartons, etc. We would be out there for the better part of the day, and lunch, of course, would be on me.


No Rush
By All Means ..take your time

Only Non Physical Labor At My Age Regards
Steve

Yeah, I know what you mean; the big chess clock in the sky hasnít exactly done wonders for my physique either.

In any case, Iíll do my best to locate the sacred texts when I get out to the excavation site in October. Unfortunately, the four movers that I had hired placed all the heavy furniture and such in front of the cartons instead of vice versa.
Job security?.

It just keeps ticking regards,
John
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 19, 2014 1:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Reinfeld wrote:

John also correctly notes that precious few quiz books are structured in multiple-choice fashion. That suddenly seems very right. I can think of only one other book (let alone software) that takes the multiple-choice route: that would be the old Larry Evans opening book, "What's the Best Move?"

- R.

The late Grandmaster Larry Evans has long been one of my favorite American chess players. He was also good enough to publish my question pertaining to an ambiguous line from MCO 12 in his Chess Life column (July, í86). Iíve also greatly enjoyed and benefitted from ďChess CatechismĒ and ďModern Chess BrillianciesĒ.

Hereís a vintage photo of Larry Evans preparing Bobby Fischer for the í72 World Chess Championship in the Grossingerís Resort swimming pool (early 1972):



At some point I need to pick up a copy of ďWhatís The Best MoveĒ. Another excellent read of the chess quiz book genre is simply titled ďThe Best MoveĒ by Hort and Jansa.

So many great chess booksÖ

So little time regardsÖ

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PostPosted: Wed Jan 14, 2015 4:49 pm    Post subject: citrine / dedicated unit plays cyberchess Reply with quote

Did the test ever take place ???

what happened?


thanks, andy
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 08, 2015 5:08 pm    Post subject: Re: citrine / dedicated unit plays cyberchess Reply with quote

teckpro wrote:
Did the test ever take place ???

what happened?


thanks, andy



With the recent trend these days to reply to forum posts 5-8 Yrs old... I think I am well within my rights to reply to a post a mere 9 months old

sadly Andy, that ill fated match never did take place however the year was not a total waste
in the past year i managed to find another 10 Program packets...increasing my collection to 14 in total(not counting the TEST packet)



Busy As A Bee This Past Year Regards
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 08, 2015 11:54 pm    Post subject: Re: citrine / dedicated unit plays cyberchess Reply with quote

Steve B wrote:
teckpro wrote:
Did the test ever take place ???

what happened?


thanks, andy



With the recent trend these days to reply to forum posts 5-8 Yrs old... I think I am well within my rights to reply to a post a mere 9 months old

sadly Andy, that ill fated match never did take place however the year was not a total waste
in the past year i managed to find another 10 Program packets...increasing my collection to 14 in total(not counting the TEST packet)



Busy As A Bee This Past Year Regards
Steve

Razz Way to go, Steve!

It sounds like the late Norbert and Dorothy have bestowed you with good Cyber fortune. Were these modules obtained through e-bay, and if so, how many are Pro modules?
Iíve purchased modules that I didnít need in the past just to obtain extra Pro packs. They are not easy to come by these days.

Analog Schachcomputers Forever Regards,
John
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 10, 2015 10:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Cyberchess wrote:

Razz Way to go, Steve!
It sounds like the late Norbert and Dorothy have bestowed you with good Cyber fortune. Were these modules obtained through e-bay, and if so, how many are Pro modules?


Thanks John
Yes through Ebay
New Pro modules acquired:
003
016
017

excuse me if i am having a "senior moment"but i dont recall discussing the total number of modules that were eventually sold
i have a "Programs Index" listing a total of 53 Amateur and 53 Pro modules
the index was dated 1981.with an addendum stating more modules will be released in October 1982
pretty amazing that Mikun managed to keep the CyberChess going for that long...by 1981-1982 dedicated chess computers were saturating the market
anyway..is this the final list you know of or did he actually release more modules in 82 and beyond?

CyberCurious Regards
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 14, 2015 2:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Steve B wrote:

anyway..is this the final list you know of or did he actually release more modules in 82 and beyond?

CyberCurious Regards
Steve

It's quite possible.

Pennies available at counter.

Wink Subtle Hint Regards,
John
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 15, 2015 10:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

In all seriousness, while I used to train exclusively with the Pro Modules, I also own Amateur Modules as well as Standard Modules.

Also, Iíve seen Endgame Modules for sale as part of that large, high-priced collection alluded to previously. They may have also produced Tactical and Positional Modules. The possibilities are virtually endless.

While Iíve yet to come across an index, I believe that there was some overlap in production, as by the early Ď80s, sets were apparently already being ported over to the popular operating systems of the day. Of course home PCs werenít very common at the time, and of those out there, Iím certain that most chess playing PC owners were far more interested in actual chess playing software. Therefore, the bulk of Cyberchess sales must have been in the form of physical Cyberators and program modules. In fact, I donít recall ever seeing the digitized versions advertised in Chess Life, although I do recall seeing adverts for the former.

The Cyber Mystery Deepens Regards,
John
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 15, 2015 11:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Cyberchess wrote:
In all seriousness, while I used to train exclusively with the Pro Modules, I also own Amateur Modules as well as Standard Modules.

Also, Iíve seen Endgame Modules for sale as part of that large, high-priced collection alluded to previously. They may have also produced Tactical and Positional Modules. The possibilities are virtually endless.

While Iíve yet to come across an index,


Very Interesting
in the 1981 Index i have there seems to be only one Standard module
do you have ..or know of ..more then one standard module?

never heard of the Endgame module..great info John thanks

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PostPosted: Wed Sep 16, 2015 3:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Steve B wrote:
Cyberchess wrote:
In all seriousness, while I used to train exclusively with the Pro Modules, I also own Amateur Modules as well as Standard Modules.

Also, Iíve seen Endgame Modules for sale as part of that large, high-priced collection alluded to previously. They may have also produced Tactical and Positional Modules. The possibilities are virtually endless.

While Iíve yet to come across an index,


Very Interesting
in the 1981 Index i have there seems to be only one Standard module
do you have ..or know of ..more then one standard module?

never heard of the Endgame module..great info John thanks

Module Madness Regards
Steve

Smile Itís great to hear that youíve been afflicted with the Cyber-mania, Steve!

Personally, I own at least 3 Standard Modules, though the mega set auctioned on e-bay several years ago contained quite a few, as I recall.

I sent the seller a message offering him top dollar for his Pro and Endgame Modules. Unfortunately, he wouldnít budge, and was determined to auction off the entire incomplete set with a very high opening bid.
I had the item on my watch list, and as predicted, nobody placed a bid.

Cyber Recollections Regards,
John
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Cyberchess wrote:

Smile Itís great to hear that youíve been afflicted with the Cyber-mania, Steve!

Personally, I own at least 3 Standard Modules, though the mega set auctioned on e-bay several years ago contained quite a few, as I recall.



Amazing

the few Indexes I own only mention Amateur and Pro Modules ..not a word about any other Standard Modules other then the one Standard module included in the package with the TEST module which came with the CyberRater
i checked my Standard Module and it consists of 2 Amt games and 2 Pro games
I am actually enjoying searching for these modules
With so few chess computers left to search for ,these modules are fulfilling my Pre-Historic Primal Male Instinct To..

Hunt And Gather Regards
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