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by spacious_mind Thu Dec 25, 2014 8:03 pm
Hi Steve,
Thanks, I am really pleased that you enjoyed the test. Your score was amazing. Master Class chess in these first two Tests!!
Name Level Game 1 Game 2 RATING
Steve B. - USA Tourn 2264 2379 2328
You scored 2379 in game 2 and increased your average to 2328!
Hopefully as we go through the centuries there will be some tougher tests for you!
The Turks performance in this game was only ELO 1971 so you probably would have had a chance to beat the Automaton!
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by Steve B Thu Dec 25, 2014 8:54 pm
spacious_mind wrote:
Well OTB my rating would be at least 1000 Pts less so i am not going to quit my day job
at least we know that with 10 different moves between me and the moved played that I am no clone of the Turk!
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by spacious_mind Thu Dec 25, 2014 9:11 pm
Steve B wrote: spacious_mind wrote:
Well OTB my rating would be at least 1000 Pts less so i am not going to quit my day job
at least we know that with 10 different moves between me and the moved played that I am no clone of the Turk!
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Hi Steve,
Well it cannot be too much of a fluke
King CM32 512K 30 MHz performs below you
Name Level Game 1 Game 2 RATING
TASC CM 512K KING 2.54 NORMAL 30 Seconds 1987 2142 2073
2073 Average over two tests. I guess the old masters game style does not suit the King and confuses him.
Missing perhaps is the over the board pressure when you play an opponent but I cannot recreate that
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by Steve B Thu Dec 25, 2014 10:44 pm
I put the Montreux through its paces in Game 2 at 30 Sec./Avg.2116
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by Steve B Fri Dec 26, 2014 11:31 am
The Little Excalibur Avenger scores an impressive 1953 with the White pieces but only a modest 1793 overall for game 2:1793
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by spacious_mind Fri Dec 26, 2014 1:17 pm
Hi Steve,
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by spacious_mind Sat Dec 27, 2014 3:45 pm
I have now added Mephisto Berlin 68000 to both Tests:
http://www.spacious-mind.com/html/berlin_68000.html
ACTIVE LEVEL
Mephisto Berlin scores 2127 playing at 30 seconds per move. Also as expected takes top spot of the so far rated computers.
TOURNAMENT LEVEL
At Tournament Level Mephisto Berlin only slightly improves with a score of 2129.
This is because in the second game Berlin performed slightly worse at tournament level when compared to its active level score.
I will add Montreaux and Avenger after Steve B. has had time to play them through Test Game 1.
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by Reinfeld Wed Dec 31, 2014 8:06 am
Ah, wonderful. And as Nick says, an excellent platform for clone testing.
"You have, let us say, a promising politician, a rising artist that you wish to destroy. Dagger or bomb are archaic and unreliable - but teach him, inoculate him with chess."
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by Steve B Thu Jan 01, 2015 10:49 am
spacious_mind wrote: Hi Steve,
OK Nick
Here Ya Go..
The fearless Avenger aquits itself nicely in game one with a combined score of 2052
COMPUTER TEST RESULT
Excalibur
Avenger
30 Sec./Avg.
WHITE MOVES
5.Nf3
6.Bxf7+
7.Qxf3
8.Qxb7
9.Nb5
10.Qxa7
11.Nxc8
12.0-0
13.Qc6+
14.Qxb5+
15.Bg5
16.Qxd5
17.Qxd5
18.0-0
19.Rg5
20.Qxd7+
21.Qd8+
WHITE SCORE:
2195
BLACK MOVES
4. ... Nf6
5. ... Bf5
6. ... Bh5
7. ... c6
8. ... Nbd7
9. ... Bd6
10. ... Rb8
11. ... Nxc4
12. ... Nd6
13. ... Ke7
14. ... Nd7
15. ... exd5
16. ... c5
17. ... Qf6
18. ... c6
19. ... Qe4+
20. ... Kf8
BLACK SCORE:
1909
TOTAL SCORE:
2052
And From The Sleepy Bedroom Community Of Montreux Switzerland :
Mephisto
Montreux
Johan de Koning
30 Sec./Avg.
WHITE MOVES
5.d4
6.Ne5
7.Qxf3
8.Qxb7
9.d4
10.d4
11.Bb5+
12.d3
13.Qc6+
14.Qxb5+
15.0-0
16.Qxd5
17.0-0-0
18.Qxd5
19.0-0
20.Qxd7+
21.Qd8+
WHITE SCORE:
2312
BLACK MOVES
4. ... Nc6
5. ... Bf5
6. ... Bxf3
7. ... Nc6
8. ... Nbd7
9. ... Bd6
10. ... Rb8
11. ... Nxc4
12. ... Be7
13. ... Ke7
14. ... Nd7
15. ... Qf6
16. ... Qa8
17. ... 0-0
18. ... c6
19. ... Qe4+
20. ... Kf8
BLACK SCORE:
2128
TOTAL SCORE:
2220
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by Steve B Thu Jan 01, 2015 2:57 pm
Reinfeld wrote: Ah, wonderful. And as Nick says, an excellent platform for clone testing.
I am sure Nick will welcome your usual insightful comments but what he will most certainly welcome ..with open arms .. are some more games played by the computers!
why not run through the first two games with a computer or two from your vast...
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by spacious_mind Thu Jan 01, 2015 3:40 pm
Steve B wrote:
OK Nick
Thanks Steve, I am just updating the results, I will report them shortly.
Best regards and Happy New Year!
Nick
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by Steve B Thu Jan 01, 2015 4:31 pm
The Always Controversial Excalibur Grandmaster(Platinum Edition)1991 1740
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by spacious_mind Thu Jan 01, 2015 6:20 pm
Good timing adding Excalibur Platinum.
Below I have consolidated all the Excalibur's. I am assuming that Steve played with Level 53 which is 30 seconds average. I have added Mirage and Alexandra to the list.
EXCALIBUR LIST FOR TEST GAME 1 - 15TH CENTURY MASTERS
Amazingly best performance in Test 1 is Einstein LCD Chess Wizard and Touch Chess II.
EXCALIBUR LIST FOR TEST GAME 2 - THE TURK
Test 2 looks a lot different with Excalibur Avenger performing best.
Here is the updated overall two test games rating list. I have also added CXG Legend playing level 53 30 seconds average and human players and Masters whose games are being rated.
Alexandra performed really badly in test game 2.
RATING LIST FOR TWO TEST GAMES
Steve B. (Human) still ranks # 1 on the list. Best computer tested so far is Mephisto Montreaux!
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by Reinfeld Fri Jan 02, 2015 7:28 am
Well, I had a hard time making the spreadsheet work, so I'll just post the moves here. This is Super Constellation at avg 30s/move:
"You have, let us say, a promising politician, a rising artist that you wish to destroy. Dagger or bomb are archaic and unreliable - but teach him, inoculate him with chess."
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by spacious_mind Mon Jan 05, 2015 11:42 pm
Reinfeld wrote: Well, I had a hard time making the spreadsheet work, so I'll just post the moves here. This is Super Constellation at avg 30s/move:
Hi Reinfeld,
I just updated game one with your result. Super Connie scored 2282! Which makes it the best score by dedicated computers tested so far. If you do get a chance then please also do game too as it would be interesting to see where it ends up. Based on your score it seems that Kittinger's like game 1!
Regarding not being able to use the spreadsheet, which version of Excel are you using. Unfortunately the pop downs etc might not work with later versions but it should work just fine with Version 2010 onwards.
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Nick
