Septennial Great Weakness is...

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Septennial Great Weakness is...

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...no perception of pins...I just won another game because of that. Curious because the pin was not beyond an horizon of, say, 5 ply. It was a sicilian after bñack -septennial- play his queen pawn and there some exchanger in that square. Problem is, he left there a bishop which was instantly pinned by a rook. No time to do nothing as the queen was behind. To Take her off her position meant clear lose of the bishop. ..
After that it tried the usual tactical tricks to prolong the fight to the bitter end.

MMmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
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Fernando wrote:...no perception of pins...I just won another game because of that. Curious because the pin was not beyond an horizon of, say, 5 ply. It was a sicilian after bñack -septennial- play his queen pawn and there some exchanger in that square. Problem is, he left there a bishop which was instantly pinned by a rook. No time to do nothing as the queen was behind. To Take her off her position meant clear lose of the bishop. ..
After that it tried the usual tactical tricks to prolong the fight to the bitter end.

MMmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
The septennial has the .next generation program up from the Champion, and is stronger strategically, but maybe not tactically. They put extra source
code in to help eliminate weaknesses, but in doing that they slow down
the search. More instructions to wade through with each iteration.
Still, the Sep gives a tougher endgame. Until I started collecting about ten years ago I had never heard of the Septennial.
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Larry wrote:
Fernando wrote:...no perception of pins...I just won another game because of that. Curious because the pin was not beyond an horizon of, say, 5 ply. It was a sicilian after bñack -septennial- play his queen pawn and there some exchanger in that square. Problem is, he left there a bishop which was instantly pinned by a rook. No time to do nothing as the queen was behind. To Take her off her position meant clear lose of the bishop. ..
After that it tried the usual tactical tricks to prolong the fight to the bitter end.

MMmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
The septennial has the .next generation program up from the Champion, and is stronger strategically, but maybe not tactically. They put extra source
code in to help eliminate weaknesses, but in doing that they slow down
the search. More instructions to wade through with each iteration.
Still, the Sep gives a tougher endgame. Until I started collecting about ten years ago I had never heard of the Septennial.
L
Evidently there is a tactical problem, but already I give it lot of time, around 4-5 minutes per move. I think there is a code bug, otherwise even if slower than Champion it would find the pin and avoid it. After all it get 5-6 ply in that phase of the game....

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You came here for months and months begging and pleading to replace your defective Champion asking anyoone and everyone who would listen to help you find another

Now You have the very precious Septennial for not even two weeks and already you are complaining about it

Appreciate the computer for its rarity and features along with its Strengths and weaknesses..if it has a bug then it makes the computer even more interesting
It is a snapshot of one the top of the line computers for its day
it is frozen in time
its does not matter if it plays as strong as Hiarcs or weak as me

i thought you realized that by now...

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Steve B wrote:You came here for months and months begging and pleading to replace your defective Champion asking anyoone and everyone who would listen to help you find another

Now You have the very precious Septennial for not even two weeks and already you are complaining about it

Appreciate the computer for its rarity and features along with its Strengths and weaknesses..if it has a bug then it makes the computer even more interesting
It is a snapshot of one the top of the line computers for its day
it is frozen in time
its does not matter if it plays as strong as Hiarcs or weak as me

i thought you realized that by now...

Deeply Concerned Regards
Steve
Did I complain?
Am I in tears?
I AM HAPPY WITH THE SEPTENNIAL.
...but that does not means I cannot tell my pals here, all interested in anything related to chess computers, what I find inside them, as everyone here does.

No matter that bug, Septennial is strong, I have beaten him many times but only with hard work and he defeated me once or twice, so...

I INSIST i am happy regards
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Well you are not really providing good information if all you do is post ...
'''i played this game and in so many moves it blundered into a pin''..and so on..
the folks here always show the game moves and positions

i would like to check My Septennial to see if I can duplicate the bug
please post the complete PGN of the game up to the point of the blunder
also..please post a FEN Diagram of the position in which the blunder appears

Lets Do This The Right Way regards
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Fernando,

You have been STEVED !
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spacious_mind wrote:Fernando,

You have been STEVED !
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lol
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Steve B wrote:
spacious_mind wrote:Fernando,

You have been STEVED !
Corrected Regards
Steve
lol
I am sorry I get kick out of catching you out before you correct.

Not the first time in our history. lol.

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Steve B wrote:Well you are not really providing good information if all you do is post ...
'''i played this game and in so many moves it blundered into a pin''..and so on..
the folks here always show the game moves and positions

i would like to check My Septennial to see if I can duplicate the bug
please post the complete PGN of the game up to the point of the blunder
also..please post a FEN Diagram of the position in which the blunder appears

Lets Do This The Right Way regards
Steve
I do not write the games I play.
I have done that very rarely, perhaps 15 years ago.
BUT...
I have enough memoru to replay a game 45 yaers old.
Now, this one wnet this way:

white: me
Black: septennial


e4 c5
Nf3 d6
d4 pxp
nxp nf6
Nc3 a6
Be2 e5
Nb3 Be7
0-0 0-0
Be3 b5
a3 Bb7
f3 d5
pxp Nxp
NxN BxN
Qc1.....

and here black instead or forecastin obvious Rd1 play antything else and boom, Rd1 and no way to save the game.

more memories are not necesary regards
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Steve B wrote:[fen]rn1q1rk1/4bppp/p7/1p1bp3/8/PN2BP2/1PP1B1PP/R1Q2RK1 w - - 0 14[/fen]
Yeah....
after Rd1 black has nothing to do to avoid the c pawn, then the bishop..
Weird....
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Fernando wrote:
Steve B wrote:[fen]rn1q1rk1/4bppp/p7/1p1bp3/8/PN2BP2/1PP1B1PP/R1Q2RK1 w - - 0 14[/fen]
Yeah....
after Rd1 black has nothing to do to avoid the c pawn, then the bishop..
Weird....
What did Black play from that position? You mentioned Queen Pawn?
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spacious_mind wrote:
Fernando wrote:
Steve B wrote:[fen]rn1q1rk1/4bppp/p7/1p1bp3/8/PN2BP2/1PP1B1PP/R1Q2RK1 w - - 0 14[/fen]
Yeah....
after Rd1 black has nothing to do to avoid the c pawn, then the bishop..
Weird....
What did Black play from that position? You mentioned Queen Pawn?
I believe he moved the Night, but it is indifferent. No matter what moves, he lose the bishop. It is what happened.
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Fernando wrote:
spacious_mind wrote:
Fernando wrote:
Steve B wrote:[fen]rn1q1rk1/4bppp/p7/1p1bp3/8/PN2BP2/1PP1B1PP/R1Q2RK1 w - - 0 14[/fen]
Yeah....
after Rd1 black has nothing to do to avoid the c pawn, then the bishop..
Weird....
What did Black play from that position? You mentioned Queen Pawn?
I believe he moved the Night, but it is indifferent. No matter what moves, he lose the bishop. It is what happened.
No it is not? Nd7 or Qc7 is perfectly playable for Black?
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Fernando wrote:
spacious_mind wrote:
Fernando wrote:
Steve B wrote:[fen]rn1q1rk1/4bppp/p7/1p1bp3/8/PN2BP2/1PP1B1PP/R1Q2RK1 w - - 0 14[/fen]
Yeah....
after Rd1 black has nothing to do to avoid the c pawn, then the bishop..
Weird....
What did Black play from that position? You mentioned Queen Pawn?
I believe he moved the Night, but it is indifferent. No matter what moves, he lose the bishop. It is what happened.
14.. Nb6 does not lose a piece
15.Rd1

15..Rc8 for example

I'll check the Septennial this weekend to see what it plays for its 14th move
are you sure this is the position?

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