Millenium new release of chess computer

Theo · Post by **Theo** » Sat Jul 18, 2015 11:19 pm

Fernando wrote: This hobby is not at all about playing chess with the strongest program available, but of possessing. caressing, loving and kissing...

Or, in short, worshipping.

Post by **Fernando** » Sat Jul 18, 2015 11:25 pm

Theo wrote:
Fernando wrote: This hobby is not at all about playing chess with the strongest program available, but of possessing. caressing, loving and kissing...
Or, in short, worshipping.

Exactly.

we are worshipers.

Hosanna regards
Fern

Dave C · Post by **Dave C** » Sun Jul 19, 2015 12:25 am

Fernando wrote:
Dave C wrote:I'm new to posting on this site but I've been reading posts for a long time. My collection started with an Elite A/S (currently a reed needs replacing), MGS. More recently Lyon 32, Dallas 12, Renaissance Brute Force, Mach III. The collection is quite small with about 30 units. Is there a good descriptive word for such a small group...maybe sub-collection, or trifling?

Recently I noticed this entry on a chess retailer's website in the US:
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Chess Computers

Oh dear - not many here, are there? Over the last 10 years we've been selling chess computers - but one by one the manufacturers have stopped making them, despite some significant demand. Well - there is some news. ChessBaron are manufacturing a chess computer that is set to be world beating. We'll update this page with news as it comes - but we hope it will be by October 2015.
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Maybe this new Millennium chess computer is what is being referenced at Chessbaron.

Small time greetings,
Dave C
Dave, your 30 or so comps qualify you as a collector in force, with all the benefits, rules, rights and obligations that that involves, beginning with a forced inscription in the World Old Farts collecting chess Comp. assoc which respond only to the Elders as a ruling organ.
Only thing you still you have not done is sending me the quote of incorporation, just a computer or 500 bucks, whichever you prefer.

Fern, treasurer...

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Fern - I fit your projected description as a collector: 63, plenty of school, retired, and i used to have an IQ...but I can't remember where I left it.
I'm excited about joining the WOFCCC Assoc.

checks in the mail regards,
Dave

Monsieur Plastique · Post by **Monsieur Plastique** » Sun Jul 19, 2015 8:03 am

Harvey Williamson wrote:Talking of Retro computing http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p02x9sns

Wow. That is interesting. You can't keep David Levy down! How much of a step is it from re-envisaging the Spectrum to producing a 35th Anniversary Mark V which sympathetic engineering enhancements to reflect the improved reliability, efficiency and durability of modern electronics? Plus program improvements that are still in the spirit of that original, ground-breaking, aggressive, entertaining coffee house style program...

Post by **Steve B** » Sun Jul 19, 2015 8:39 am

Dave C wrote:I'm new to posting on this site but I've been reading posts for a long time. My collection started with an Elite A/S (currently a reed needs replacing), MGS. More recently Lyon 32, Dallas 12, Renaissance Brute Force, Mach III.

there is some news. ChessBaron are manufacturing a chess computer that is set to be world beating. We'll update this page with news as it comes - but we hope it will be by October 2015.
__________________________________________________
Maybe this new Millennium chess computer is what is being referenced at Chessbaron.

Small time greetings,
Dave C

Welcome to the Forum Dave
good solid collection you have there
by "Dallas 12" I guess you mean the Dallas 68000 module?

no idea what the Chess Baron is planning but my bet is its some well intentioned although misguided contraption like their Aristotle tablet discussed in another thread

Not Retired Yet Regards
Steve

mclane · Post by **mclane** » Sun Jul 19, 2015 11:19 am

paulwise3 wrote:I ordered it directly from the Millennium site: http://www.millennium2000.de/chessgenius
That is the site I referred to in my answer to Fernando.

On my question they answered that delivery is expected first half of September.

Can't wait regards,
Paul

I wonder if the chessboard is really that shiny/glossy or the usual way.
On the photograph it looks glossy.

klute · Post by **klute** » Tue Jul 21, 2015 2:56 pm

spacious_mind wrote:The last computer Millennium advertised as ELO 2100

I'm fairly certain that Millennium themselves have never claimed 2100 ELO performance for their regular range of chess computers.

I think what's happened in the past is that one or two retailers took it upon themselves to unilaterally make the absurd 2100 ELO claim.

I further think this (dis)information then snowballed due to amateur sellers (most of whom likely have never played a game of chess in their lives, let alone operated a chess computer) perpetuating the absurd 2100 ELO claim.

Knowledgeable and reputable dealers accurately state the performance level of these machines, which are extremely popular with the "average person" who plays chess or who would like to learn.

David Levy & Associates provided the programming team for the regular models (I don't know the names of the individual programmers) and they all run on 6502-compatible Generalplus microcontrollers typically running at 4MHz with up to 1024K ROM and 704 bytes RAM.

paulwise3 · Post by **paulwise3** » Fri Jul 31, 2015 9:20 pm

More info about the Chess Genius:
1. There is a blog about it on the Millenium site, see http://www.millennium2000.de/blog/2015/07
2. Testgames against the Milano Pro show promising results, see http://www.millennium2000.de/sites/defa ... 310715.pdf

So we might really be talking about a 2100+ machine

For only 99 euro's regards,
Paul

Post by **Fernando** » Fri Jul 31, 2015 9:58 pm

paulwise3 wrote:More info about the Chess Genius:
1. There is a blog about it on the Millenium site, see http://www.millennium2000.de/blog/2015/07
2. Testgames against the Milano Pro show promising results, see http://www.millennium2000.de/sites/defa ... 310715.pdf

So we might really be talking about a 2100+ machine

For only 99 euro's regards,
Paul

I wonder how many of these they will try to test the market....My bet: no more than 500....
If that sell well, another bath of 500...
and so and so...

Fern

paulwise3 · Post by **paulwise3** » Fri Jul 31, 2015 10:16 pm

I just hope they sell enough to decide for another new one: Kittinger's Super Constellation program in a housing similar to the Carnelian II, with real wooden pieces and a larger board. I wonder how strong it would play with this processor and speed. Maybe Hans can give us a hint

Still looking to get the Superconny regards,
Paul

Post by **Fernando** » Fri Jul 31, 2015 10:28 pm

paulwise3 wrote:I just hope they sell enough to decide for another new one: Kittinger's Super Constellation program in a housing similar to the Carnelian II, with real wooden pieces and a larger board. I wonder how strong it would play with this processor and speed. Maybe Hans can give us a hint

Still looking to get the Superconny regards,
Paul

...and the Expert......and so many others running in current electronics....a feast.....

Dreaming regards
Fern

spacious_mind · Post by **spacious_mind** » Fri Jul 31, 2015 10:36 pm

klute wrote:
spacious_mind wrote:The last computer Millennium advertised as ELO 2100
I'm fairly certain that Millennium themselves have never claimed 2100 ELO performance for their regular range of chess computers.

I think what's happened in the past is that one or two retailers took it upon themselves to unilaterally make the absurd 2100 ELO claim.

I further think this (dis)information then snowballed due to amateur sellers (most of whom likely have never played a game of chess in their lives, let alone operated a chess computer) perpetuating the absurd 2100 ELO claim.

Knowledgeable and reputable dealers accurately state the performance level of these machines, which are extremely popular with the "average person" who plays chess or who would like to learn.

David Levy & Associates provided the programming team for the regular models (I don't know the names of the individual programmers) and they all run on 6502-compatible Generalplus microcontrollers typically running at 4MHz with up to 1024K ROM and 704 bytes RAM.

Well you might be right but also wrong as it reads to me as copy paste from Millennium material.

http://www.classicchessandgames.com/Mil ... elM182.htm

Regards

spacious_mind · Post by **spacious_mind** » Fri Jul 31, 2015 10:46 pm

Here is another classic laugh:

http://www.classicchessandgames.com/Adv ... puters.htm

That page is supposed to cover Master Level Computers

Regards

Post by **Fernando** » Fri Jul 31, 2015 10:50 pm

spacious_mind wrote:Here is another classic laugh:

http://www.classicchessandgames.com/Adv ... puters.htm

That page is supposed to cover Master Level Computers

Regards

Have you played it?
If so, how much elo it has in your opinion?

spacious_mind · Post by **spacious_mind** » Fri Jul 31, 2015 10:51 pm

Fernando wrote:
spacious_mind wrote:Here is another classic laugh:

http://www.classicchessandgames.com/Adv ... puters.htm

That page is supposed to cover Master Level Computers

Regards
Have you played it?
If so, how much elo it has in your opinion?

The Millenniums? Maybe 1200 if you are lucky.