New Elo dedicated chess machines

ricard60 · Post by **ricard60** » Fri Aug 28, 2015 11:28 am

Here you go:
http://www.schachcomputer.info/forum/portal.php?

paulwise3 · Post by **paulwise3** » Fri Aug 28, 2015 12:33 pm

Thanx,
of course I first looked to find two of my favourites, the Novag Carnelian II and the CXG Sphinx Concerto.
Both cannot be found

, although they are present on the wiki eloliste!? Nor are they mentioned on the clone page.

Have to post a question about that regards,
Paul.

ricard60 · Post by **ricard60** » Fri Aug 28, 2015 3:17 pm

There is an answer to your post:

http://www.schachcomputer.info/forum/sh ... php?t=5016

But Novag Carnelian II similar or = to Novag Carnelian.

Maybe checking here:

http://foro.meca-web.es/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=21

Cyberchess · Post by **Cyberchess** » Fri Aug 28, 2015 7:46 pm

ricard60 wrote:Here you go:
http://www.schachcomputer.info/forum/portal.php?

Thanks for posting this list, Ricardo!

This is interesting to note: the souped-up Saitek Centurion running @ 40 MHZ is actually stronger than the stock Novag Star Diamond/Sapphire despite having a much larger program, hash tables and common endgame solutions database.
I wouldn’t have expected that.

Results that concur with my own findings are that my old 1986 Novag Forte B unit is slightly stronger than the Fidelity Par Excellence unit of the same year.

Overclocked Regards,
John

dedicate computers · Post by **dedicate computers** » Fri Aug 28, 2015 8:24 pm

Grateful Ricardo,
This forum is excellent, the news we know fast.....

For example, Super Expert C running in my Resurrection II which approximate rating elo active? Note, is not the Revelation, but Res II!
Gracias
Oswaldo

ricard60 · Post by **ricard60** » Fri Aug 28, 2015 9:46 pm

Cyberchess wrote:
ricard60 wrote:Here you go:
http://www.schachcomputer.info/forum/portal.php?
Thanks for posting this list, Ricardo!

This is interesting to note: the souped-up Saitek Centurion running @ 40 MHZ is actually stronger than the stock Novag Star Diamond/Sapphire despite having a much larger program, hash tables and common endgame solutions database.
I wouldn’t have expected that.

Results that concur with my own findings are that my old 1986 Novag Forte B unit is slightly stronger than the Fidelity Par Excellence unit of the same year.

Overclocked Regards,
John

For Saitek Centurion probably this Elo could come down because still 78 games so Elo is not so stable. Look this last tournament with other storng machines:
http://www.schach-computer.info/wiki/in ... chaft_2015
but still i believe its elo could be around 2160-2180. When machines are overclocked its tactics increase a lot but when facing machines with more knowledge things are different.

ricard60 · Post by **ricard60** » Fri Aug 28, 2015 9:53 pm

dedicate computers wrote:Grateful Ricardo,
This forum is excellent, the news we know fast.....

For example, Super Expert C running in my Resurrection II which approximate rating elo active? Note, is not the Revelation, but Res II!
Gracias
Oswaldo

Hello Osvaldo,
Res II have the same specs than Rev, clock 500MHz and 32 MB RAM the most important on this type of machines when we talk about Elo. So elo of Res II could be about the same when they have the same engine.

Monster machine regards
Ricardo

dedicate computers · Post by **dedicate computers** » Fri Aug 28, 2015 10:37 pm

Hi Ricardo,

Ruud said that these engines run 3 to 5 times faster than original, so difficult to compare with SEC running @ 6 MHz
Gracias
Oswaldo

ricard60 · Post by **ricard60** » Fri Aug 28, 2015 11:10 pm

Rev runninig SEC has an ELO of 2083 on this last list , so as Res II has similar hardware spec than Rev the ELO of SPEC on RES II should be similar.

Almost same hardware and same engine regards
Ricardo

paulwise3 · Post by **paulwise3** » Sat Aug 29, 2015 8:14 pm

ricard60 wrote:There is an answer to your post:

http://www.schachcomputer.info/forum/sh ... php?t=5016

But Novag Carnelian II similar or = to Novag Carnelian.

Maybe checking here:

http://foro.meca-web.es/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=21

Hi Ricardo,

Thanx for the second url, but that site uses a language I do not understand.
But at first look I see there a statement that the Explorer Pro is not a clone of the Cougar. I think they are clones! Maybe you can read it and tell why they would not be clones?

Clone regards,
Paul.

ricard60 · Post by **ricard60** » Sun Aug 30, 2015 1:41 pm

Here is the translation:

"We saw that computers performed unexpected moves from each other. Additionaly was detected the bug that affects the Senator in the Explorer Pro, which chooses lines of repetitive movements when enjoying clear advantage. In the first game and in move 24 we switched side of the computers, the Explorer pro moved 24 h3; the Cougar made the move g3 ; which changes the whole structure of the game, because after 24 ... Ra8 by Black, White plays 25 Ad2 and the black knight can no longer come to the h4 because the pawn is now in g3 .... are not clones"

This type of test are good because the same position is put on each machine and you can see with what move comes up with. If they are different they are not clones

Not clones regards
Ricardo

paulwise3 · Post by **paulwise3** » Sun Aug 30, 2015 7:49 pm

Hi Ricardo,
Thank you very much for the translation! This is very interesting, since on schach-computer.info they are considered as clones. Now the next question would be: which is the stronger one

. Since the Explorer Pro is newer, one could think of some bugs being resolved or some changes in the evaluation function have been made. This could be a nice task for Nick, but looking at his site it seems he does not own the Explorer Pro. Neither do I

. But I do own the Cougar, so if I can get my hands on the Pro, I will definitely give it a try.
Or if anyone else has the Pro, he could use Nicks 5 testgames and compare them with the results for the Cougar, they are already in Nicks list.

Kind regards,
Paul

spacious_mind · Post by **spacious_mind** » Sun Aug 30, 2015 11:54 pm

paulwise3 wrote:Hi Ricardo,
Thank you very much for the translation! This is very interesting, since on schach-computer.info they are considered as clones. Now the next question would be: which is the stronger one . Since the Explorer Pro is newer, one could think of some bugs being resolved or some changes in the evaluation function have been made. This could be a nice task for Nick, but looking at his site it seems he does not own the Explorer Pro. Neither do I . But I do own the Cougar, so if I can get my hands on the Pro, I will definitely give it a try.
Or if anyone else has the Pro, he could use Nicks 5 testgames and compare them with the results for the Cougar, they are already in Nicks list.

Kind regards,
Paul

Hi Paul
I have an Explorer Pro, I have just not listed it yet. I think we may have tested both about a year ago when we were doing a different rating test.

spacious_mind · Post by **spacious_mind** » Mon Aug 31, 2015 12:46 am

Here is the link where both were tested:

http://hiarcs.net/forums/viewtopic.php? ... &start=585

Best regards

paulwise3 · Post by **paulwise3** » Mon Aug 31, 2015 8:14 am

Hi Nick,

Thanx for the link! It seems the Explorer Pro and the Cougar definitely are different.

Kind regards,
Paul

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