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Fidelity Chess Challenger 3 Components
I am not sure if anyone is interested in what the insides of a Chess Challenger 3 looks like. But this photo was professionally taken and the picture hangs on my office wall.
One can notice the great use of NEC integrated circuits, instead of Intel.
NEC was just getting into the 8080 chip business and we were their first large customer, so their pricing was attractive compared to Intel.
One can notice the great use of NEC integrated circuits, instead of Intel.
NEC was just getting into the 8080 chip business and we were their first large customer, so their pricing was attractive compared to Intel.
Interesting. It does remind me of something that I thought I'd ask while
you are here. What was the logic behind securing the insides of the
original chess challengers by fixing the back plate with brads, not screws?
It meant that the back plate had to be destroyed to get it off. I think they
also used glue in addition to the screws. I can understand that it made
it hard for unqualified wannabees to frig with the circuit board, but it also
made it hard for service professionals, no?
Here we are about four decades on, and the early CC1/CC3's are starting
to develop a problem. Oxidation on the control panel buttons contact
surfaces is breaking the circuit and making them inoperable. You know
the problem is starting when you have to press a control button repeatedly,
and soon after even that does'nt work. My CC1 has this problem, and they
all soon will. I can get around the problem temporarily by putting the CC1
in the refrigerator for a half hour or so and it then works. But after it
returns to room temperature the problem returns.
Your thoughts on this please Ron?
warm regards ...Larry
you are here. What was the logic behind securing the insides of the
original chess challengers by fixing the back plate with brads, not screws?
It meant that the back plate had to be destroyed to get it off. I think they
also used glue in addition to the screws. I can understand that it made
it hard for unqualified wannabees to frig with the circuit board, but it also
made it hard for service professionals, no?
Here we are about four decades on, and the early CC1/CC3's are starting
to develop a problem. Oxidation on the control panel buttons contact
surfaces is breaking the circuit and making them inoperable. You know
the problem is starting when you have to press a control button repeatedly,
and soon after even that does'nt work. My CC1 has this problem, and they
all soon will. I can get around the problem temporarily by putting the CC1
in the refrigerator for a half hour or so and it then works. But after it
returns to room temperature the problem returns.
Your thoughts on this please Ron?
warm regards ...Larry
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Hi Ron
Yes, you will find many of us interested in what lies inside chess computers even if, like me, electronics knowledge is limited. It's often the best way to find out what was going on plus some knowledge of electronics helps to keep the Oldies working.
A while ago I bought a stash of spare parts from the former repairman for the main Fidelity dealer in the UK. The list of parts is here -
http://www.chesscomputeruk.com/html/fid ... parts.html
As you say many of the older chips are NEC. The list may help to bring back a few memories.
Earlier I mentioned a few other chess computers (apart from Fidelitys and Excaliburs) which contain your programs. They were presumably unlicensed and illegal copies produced behind the Iron Curtain and in Brazil. Then there is the Cassia Checkmate/Toytronics Chess Electronics which contains the pirated CC10C program. But here is one from Austria which I assume was licensed -
http://www.chesscomputeruk.com/html/peri_beta.html
All the best
Mike
Yes, you will find many of us interested in what lies inside chess computers even if, like me, electronics knowledge is limited. It's often the best way to find out what was going on plus some knowledge of electronics helps to keep the Oldies working.
A while ago I bought a stash of spare parts from the former repairman for the main Fidelity dealer in the UK. The list of parts is here -
http://www.chesscomputeruk.com/html/fid ... parts.html
As you say many of the older chips are NEC. The list may help to bring back a few memories.
Earlier I mentioned a few other chess computers (apart from Fidelitys and Excaliburs) which contain your programs. They were presumably unlicensed and illegal copies produced behind the Iron Curtain and in Brazil. Then there is the Cassia Checkmate/Toytronics Chess Electronics which contains the pirated CC10C program. But here is one from Austria which I assume was licensed -
http://www.chesscomputeruk.com/html/peri_beta.html
All the best
Mike
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Stan Bialek is the name of the young mechanical designer (he never got a degree but he was very talented). He took my sketch and made the first prototype.Larry wrote:Interesting. It does remind me of something that I thought I'd ask while
you are here. What was the logic behind securing the insides of the
original chess challengers by fixing the back plate with brads, not screws?
It meant that the back plate had to be destroyed to get it off. I think they
also used glue in addition to the screws. I can understand that it made
it hard for unqualified wannabees to frig with the circuit board, but it also
made it hard for service professionals, no?
Here we are about four decades on, and the early CC1/CC3's are starting
to develop a problem. Oxidation on the control panel buttons contact
surfaces is breaking the circuit and making them inoperable. You know
the problem is starting when you have to press a control button repeatedly,
and soon after even that does'nt work. My CC1 has this problem, and they
all soon will. I can get around the problem temporarily by putting the CC1
in the refrigerator for a half hour or so and it then works. But after it
returns to room temperature the problem returns.
Your thoughts on this please Ron?
warm regards ...Larry
When he had the many edged wood housing priced it was too high.
He then came up with the design you know.
Perhaps because he worked in the Biomedical division of Fidelity, he designed it to be tamper proof and solid.
Every repair did mean replacing the chess board surface decal, which was not that expensive (as long as they were in stock !?!)
The threaded standoffs were swaged (pressed) into the PCB, then the PCB was screwed to the top metal plate.
The metal plate was screwed into the wood and then the chess decal applied.
We later used rivets to hold the standoff to the PCB.
Stan Bialek became fascinated when the Dazzle video graphics board came out at about the time of the CC3.
Stan and his friend Andy Najda (both worked for me until Fidelity went bankrupt) went on to start The Number Nine computer video board company.
Dell Computer used the Number Nine video board in a lot of their early PC computers.
For my work units CC1,CC3,CC10 I would use a sharp Exacto knife and cut a small hole in the decal over each of the 7 screw heads.
You could generally see the shallow outline by running your finger over the decal in the areas you knew the screw heads were in.
Not something a collector might do......sorry.
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Fidelity Gambit Voice Chess Challenger
During all this reviewing of the Chess Challenger past, I saw a Gambit Voice Chess Challenger Model 6095 on eBay for sale. I couldn't remember what was inside the Gambit Voice, so I bought it.
Here are two photos of the inside of the Gambit Voice:
There are two single sided circuit boards, one for LEDs & MCU, the other for the voice MCU & ROM and power supply.
I wrote in one post how the Par Excellence official rating and new low cost design saved Fidelity by its high profit margin.
Someone questioned the timing since Excellence was already available. The Sensory 9 was expensive to make.
The hooded plastic design was costly, and the single sided LED PCB with the double sided main PCB was costly.
I had the plastic top tool modified to remove the hood, and designed a single LED CPU/MCU PCB with breakaway Power supply board.
You can see the breakaway power supply section in this photo still attached (not used) to the LED MCU PCB.
This was all taking place at about the time we went to have the 5 Mhz 65C02 unit rated. So it now benefited from the new hardware design.
Here are two photos of the inside of the Gambit Voice:
There are two single sided circuit boards, one for LEDs & MCU, the other for the voice MCU & ROM and power supply.
I wrote in one post how the Par Excellence official rating and new low cost design saved Fidelity by its high profit margin.
Someone questioned the timing since Excellence was already available. The Sensory 9 was expensive to make.
The hooded plastic design was costly, and the single sided LED PCB with the double sided main PCB was costly.
I had the plastic top tool modified to remove the hood, and designed a single LED CPU/MCU PCB with breakaway Power supply board.
You can see the breakaway power supply section in this photo still attached (not used) to the LED MCU PCB.
This was all taking place at about the time we went to have the 5 Mhz 65C02 unit rated. So it now benefited from the new hardware design.
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Excalibur 1997 Igor Internals
I had long since forgotten about the Igor I designed & programmed in 1997, so I bought one on eBay.
This is what an Igor looks like inside.
If you zoom in to the H8 chip you will see Copyright 1997 RCN, my initials.
It was a very efficient hardware design.
The large ROM voice memory chip was first routed to the H8 chip for single sided PCB economy, not caring about which address and data pin was which.
Then a special socket was made to map the single sided PCB pins to the actual pins of the memory chip for insertion into the EPROM programmer.
This is what an Igor looks like inside.
If you zoom in to the H8 chip you will see Copyright 1997 RCN, my initials.
It was a very efficient hardware design.
The large ROM voice memory chip was first routed to the H8 chip for single sided PCB economy, not caring about which address and data pin was which.
Then a special socket was made to map the single sided PCB pins to the actual pins of the memory chip for insertion into the EPROM programmer.
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Greetings Ron:
Reflecting back to the first Chess Challenger unit of 1977, I recall how word spread throughout chess circles that the first ever chess computer didn’t fully comply with the rules pertaining to castling. Even at this late date, small programming glitches often go unrecognized prior to distribution, though I can imagine Sid Samole hitting the roof, as projected sales must have been severely impacted. My question is what, if any, steps did Fidelity Electronics take to remedy this situation for customers that bought this first batch of units?
A few years later, in early 1980, I discovered a line in the Sicilian Defense whereby the Chess Challenger 7 unit would capture a poisoned piece with its queen and be forced to relinquish the queen for 2 minor pieces. I wrote a letter to Fidelity Electronics pointing this out, and was hoping for a free upgrade, though received a letter of acknowledgement from customer relations instead.
Days Of Yore Regards,
John
Reflecting back to the first Chess Challenger unit of 1977, I recall how word spread throughout chess circles that the first ever chess computer didn’t fully comply with the rules pertaining to castling. Even at this late date, small programming glitches often go unrecognized prior to distribution, though I can imagine Sid Samole hitting the roof, as projected sales must have been severely impacted. My question is what, if any, steps did Fidelity Electronics take to remedy this situation for customers that bought this first batch of units?
A few years later, in early 1980, I discovered a line in the Sicilian Defense whereby the Chess Challenger 7 unit would capture a poisoned piece with its queen and be forced to relinquish the queen for 2 minor pieces. I wrote a letter to Fidelity Electronics pointing this out, and was hoping for a free upgrade, though received a letter of acknowledgement from customer relations instead.
Days Of Yore Regards,
John
Hey,
Apologies for the test post, but I wanted to include URLs.
I am interested in tracking down information about the programs in the early Fidelity computers, primarily the CC1 and CC3.
Looking at Fidelity Patent #4235442
https://patents.google.com/patent/US4235442
I notice it suggests that the CC1 program was derived from an earlier program for the HP 9810A desktop calculator
https://www.hpmuseum.net/upload_htmlFil ... 7pages.pdf
I was wondering if anyone had managed to track down a copy of the related HP code? Or whether there are other good sources regarding the code used in these early Fidelity boards.
Thanks for any pointers
decle
Apologies for the test post, but I wanted to include URLs.
I am interested in tracking down information about the programs in the early Fidelity computers, primarily the CC1 and CC3.
Looking at Fidelity Patent #4235442
https://patents.google.com/patent/US4235442
I notice it suggests that the CC1 program was derived from an earlier program for the HP 9810A desktop calculator
The article written by Alan Wray can be found at the HP museum:In accordance with one embodiment of the present invention, evaluation of possible responsive moves and selection of the responsive move to be made by the system is achieved by use of evaluation criteria such as is described in an article entitled "A Chess Playing Program For The 9810A" by Alan A. Wray in a Hewlett-Packard publication which program is available from Hewlett-Packard upon request. This program was modified to correct apparent errors and to render it compatible with components incorporated as part of the present system.
https://www.hpmuseum.net/upload_htmlFil ... 7pages.pdf
I was wondering if anyone had managed to track down a copy of the related HP code? Or whether there are other good sources regarding the code used in these early Fidelity boards.
Thanks for any pointers
decle
decle,
I think you unveiled an unsung hero of microcomputer chess: Alan A. Wray.
His program from 1974 seems to be one of the first chess playing programs for a low memory system, predating home computers. This beats Peter Jenning's Microchess by 2 years.
And without this program, maybe there would be no Chess Challenger.
I'm also looking for the source code, but haven't found anything, the HP museum doesn't seem to have it.
Maybe we should open another threat for this important discovery?
(Where I could post Mr. Wray's respone to my letter..)
I think you unveiled an unsung hero of microcomputer chess: Alan A. Wray.
His program from 1974 seems to be one of the first chess playing programs for a low memory system, predating home computers. This beats Peter Jenning's Microchess by 2 years.
And without this program, maybe there would be no Chess Challenger.
I'm also looking for the source code, but haven't found anything, the HP museum doesn't seem to have it.
Maybe we should open another threat for this important discovery?
(Where I could post Mr. Wray's respone to my letter..)
Hey bataals,
Thanks for taking the time to reply. I would be very interested in seeing what Alan Wray has said. Well done in finding him.
Unfortunately I have not made any progress since my original post. If I could obtain the object code, I would like to disassemble and document these early programs to understand the compromises of working in such a restricted environment and how they developed. I am currently doing something similar on the General Instrument / Mattel PlayCable, the first commercial video game download service dating from 1981.
Whilst I could try to open up my CC3 and dump the ROM (I don't own a CC1) I'm loathe to do so as I understand the only way in is through the top and risks destroying the playing surface.
Cheers
decle
Thanks for taking the time to reply. I would be very interested in seeing what Alan Wray has said. Well done in finding him.
Unfortunately I have not made any progress since my original post. If I could obtain the object code, I would like to disassemble and document these early programs to understand the compromises of working in such a restricted environment and how they developed. I am currently doing something similar on the General Instrument / Mattel PlayCable, the first commercial video game download service dating from 1981.
Whilst I could try to open up my CC3 and dump the ROM (I don't own a CC1) I'm loathe to do so as I understand the only way in is through the top and risks destroying the playing surface.
Cheers
decle