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Here is the final game of my 10 game match between the MCGP and SD at a time control of 40 moves in 2 hours using the London book:

They played the Pirc-Robatsch opening. The MCGP was out of book at move 7 and the SD at move 10.

[Event "40m/2h London book"]
[Date "2016.10.28"]
[Round "10"]
[White "MCGP"]
[Black "SD"]
[Result "1-0"]
[ECO "B07"]

1.e4 g6 2.d4 Bg7 3.c3 d6 4.Nf3 Nf6 5.Nbd2 O-O 6.Bc4 Nxe4 7.Nxe4 d5 8.Bd3 dxe4 9.Bxe4 c5 10.dxc5 Qxd1+ 11.Kxd1 Rd8+ 12.Kc2 Nc6 13.Be3 Be6 14.Rhe1 Bd5 15.Bg5 Bxe4+ 16.Rxe4 f6 17.Be3 e5 18.Rh4 f5 19.Rd1 Rxd1 20.Kxd1 Rd8+ 21.Kc2 Rd7 22.Ra4 h6 23.g4 Kf7 24.gxf5 gxf5 25.Rh4 Kg6 26.b4 a6 27.Ne1 Ne7 28.Rh3 Nd5 29.Bc1 a5 30.Nd3 e4 31.Nf4+ Kf7 32.Nxd5 Rxd5 33.Bd2 Rd8 34.c6 bxc6 35.bxa5 Ra8 36.c4 Ke6 37.Bc3 Bxc3 38.Kxc3 Rxa5 39.Rxh6+ Kf7 40.Kb3 f4 41.Rh4 Rf5 42.Rg4 e3 43.fxe3 f3 44.Rg1 Ke6 45.Kc3 Ke5 46.Kd2 f2 47.Rf1 Ke4 48.Ke2 Rf3 49.Rxf2 Rxe3+ 50.Kf1 Rc3 51.a4 Rxc4 52.Ra2 Kd5 53.a5 Rf4+ 54.Kg1 Rg4+ 55.Kf2 Rg7 56.h4 Rf7+ 57.Kg3 c5 58.h5 c4 59.h6 c3 60.a6 Ra7 61.h7 Rg7+ 62.Kf3 Rxh7 63.a7 Rh3+ 64.Kg2 Rh8 65.a8=Q+ Rxa8 66.Rxa8 Kd4 67.Kf2 Ke4 68.Ke2 Kd4 69.Ra4+ Kc5 70.Kd3 c2 71.Kxc2 Kd5 72.Kd3 Kc5 73.Rd4 Kb5 1-0

Final position:
[fen]8/8/8/1k6/3R4/3K4/8/8 w - - 5 74[/fen]
The SD resigned here.

So, the last game goes to the MCGP making the final score 7.5 - 2.5 to the MCGP. That gives the MCGP a rating of 2366 in this match.

Some of the games were pretty close with both computer's evaluations jumping plus and minus and each side gaining and losing the advantage. I don't think the 2366 rating achieved in this match is reliable when considering the first game which the MCGP lost badly and had the same opening been played again the result of this match could have been 2283. However, it does show that the MCGP can perform well at this time control.

Is the London book better? All I can say is that in this small match of 10 games against the Stardiamond at a time control of 40 moves in 2 hours it appears to be.

Judging by the results posted above by Sargon1972 and steffen I'm wondering if the MCGP has a higher rating for active chess (game in 30 minutes) with the Human Book(?) than it does at longer time controls with either book.

Anyway, I'm happy with the result the MCGP has achieved so far.

Next match with Magellan Regards Ray
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Hello Ray,

As i wrote before in test games the rating of the CGPro was after 120 games+- 2403 ! in active chess
The SD did lost 10-0
Magellan did lose 7,5-2.5 Atlanta the same ore 7-3 all points scored where draws so i expect to see the same result in 40-120 games vs Maggi
I wrote also that the rating mine idea would drop to 2350+- of the CGPro

so 2366 elo is around that 2350 +- not bad for a old program in new hardware

Also it depend heavy on what opening the CGPro play
There are also bad lines in both books ,also the CGPro do not understand what is needed in that opening
Nevertheless ,it is a strong beast plastic beast ,and for a fair price also

Have fun with your next games

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Sargon1972 wrote:Hello Ray,

As i wrote before in test games the rating of the CGPro was after 120 games+- 2403 ! in active chess
The SD did lost 10-0
Magellan did lose 7,5-2.5 Atlanta the same ore 7-3 all points scored where draws so i expect to see the same result in 40-120 games vs Maggi
I wrote also that the rating mine idea would drop to 2350+- of the CGPro

so 2366 elo is around that 2350 +- not bad for a old program in new hardware

Also it depend heavy on what opening the CGPro play
There are also bad lines in both books ,also the CGPro do not understand what is needed in that opening
Nevertheless ,it is a strong beast plastic beast ,and for a fair price also

Have fun with your next games

Kr,Hans
Hello Kr,Hans.
I agree with you, and also believe the final rating of the CGPro will end up around the 2350 +- area. I think its a very good machine for the price and looking forward to the next two matches I am going to play between the CGPro and Magellan, again comparing the Human book and the London book at the longer time control. I think we need more games at the longer time controls to obtain a more accurate rating.

Regards Ray
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Post by lexman »

Great result at the DACh tournament for the CG Pro. I make it a 2560 performance including wins over the R30 2.5 and 2.23. Overall the rating seems to be closing in on the old Selective Search rating of 2357 for the genius on a palm zire 126mhz. I may try the Pro in a match against the Fid EAG v11 72mhz at 1 min per move starting soon. This would be interesting as both machines have BT 2630 scores of 2291.
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I played at the DACH tournament
- London Book and
- ECO OFF
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lexman wrote:I may try the Pro in a match against the Fid EAG v11 72mhz at 1 min per move starting soon. This would be interesting as both machines have BT 2630 scores of 2291.

it seems the faster the time control the stronger it plays
from a 10-0 Vs the Star Diamond at 30/sec move(2583 Performance rating)
to a solid 2400-2500 rating at 1 min per move Vs the R40 (and your games)
to mid 2300's at 40/2
you don't normally see such a wide margin between faster/slower time controls
more normal would be a diff of 50-75 pt difference

Hmmm Regards
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Hello Steve,

To less games are played , but in mine 40/120 games it was +- same rating as in 30 sec a move ,so be patience at the end the CGPro will be 2350 elo+- at all levels

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Sargon1972 wrote:Hello Steve,

To less games are played , but in mine 40/120 games it was +- same rating as in 30 sec a move ,so be patience at the end the CGPro will be 2350 elo+- at all levels

Kr,Hans
In the first 10 game match against the Stardiamond at 40m/2h using the Human book the score was 6-4 giving the CGPro a rating of only 2245. Maybe this was just bad luck on the CGPro's part to end up in openings it did not handle so well. Another 10 game match with the same settings may reveal a different result. For the Stardiamond, I think the longer it stays in book the stronger it is, but I'm wondering if the CGPro is better when it leaves book openings earlier. It will be interesting to see how well the CGPro does against the Magellan at this longer time control. The previous CG only managed a draw against the Magellan.

Maybe the Human book will prove the best option overall after more testing?

Regards Ray
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So to the opening game of a short six game match between the CG Pro and the Fid EAG v11 72mhz. I will take the elo of the Fidelity as 2315 which is an average of the tournament and active Wiki gradings. Both Comps have BT 2630 ratings of 2291 which hopefully will make for a close and interesting match. CG Pro Hiarcs book eco off throughout

[Event "1 min av"]
[Site "?"]
[Date "2016.10.28"]
[Round "?"]
[White "Fidelity EAG v11 72mhz"]
[Black "CG Pro"]
[Result "0-1"]
[ECO "B50"]

1. e4 c5 2. Nf3 d6 3. Bd3 Nc6 4. c3 Nf6 5. Bc2 Bg4 6. d3 d5 7. h3 Bh5 8. Nbd2
e6 9. Ba4 Be7 10. g4 Bg6 11. Ne5 Qc7 12. Nxg6 hxg6 13. g5 Nd7 14. Nf3 dxe4 15.
dxe4 a6 16. Bd2 b5 17. Bc2 Rd8 18. Qe2 Nde5 19. O-O-O Nc4 20. Kb1 Nxd2+ 21.
Rxd2 Rxd2 22. Qxd2 Bd6 23. Qe3 Kf8 24. h4 a5 25. Qd3 c4 26. Qe2 Bf4 27. Rd1 Ke7
28. Qe1 Ne5 29. Nxe5 Qxe5 30. f3 a4 31. Qf2 Qc7 32. Rg1 Rd8 33. Rg2 Kf8 34. Ka1
Rd2 35. Qg1 Bh2 36. Qf1 Rxg2 37. Qxg2 Bg3 38. Qh1 Qd6 39. Qc1 Kg8 40. Qe3 Bxh4
41. e5 Qd5 42. f4 Qg2 43. Bb1 Bg3 44. Qd4 a3 45. bxa3 Qf1 46. a4 Qc1 47. a3
Qxa3+ 48. Ba2 Qc1+ 49. Bb1 Be1 50. Ka2 Bxc3 51. Qxc3 Qxc3 52. Bxg6 Qb3+ 53. Ka1
c3 54. Bxf7+ Kf8 55. Bxe6 Qb2# 0-1

So first blood to the CG Pro can it keep it up?
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Hello ,

Are u sure that the V11 is on Tournament book ,and not all openings on?

Option , 2x square F1 must be out ,then u use the TM book when it is on the V11 play all openings and make him weaker due this openings

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Some very interesting results for the MCGP, thanks for the effort of running the games, I know it's a labour of love.
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On to game two in the match CG Pro v Fid EAG v 11 72 mhz

[Event "1 min av"]
[White "CG Pro"]
[Black "Fidelity EAG 72mhz"]
[Result "1/2-1/2"]


1. d4 d5 2. Nf3 Nf6 3. c4 dxc4 4. Qa4+ c6 5. Qxc4 Bf5 6. Nc3 e6 7. g3 Nbd7 8.
Bg2 Be7 9. Qb3 Qb6 10. Nd2 O-O 11. Qxb6 Nxb6 12. e4 Bg6 13. O-O Rad8 14. Nb3
Nc4 15. Re1 e5 16. dxe5 Nxe5 17. Be3 Nc4 18. Bxa7 Nxb2 19. Bd4 Rfe8 20. Re2 Nc4
21. e5 Nd7 22. e6 fxe6 23. Rxe6 Bb4 24. Rxe8+ Rxe8 25. Na4 Bf5 26. Rc1 Nce5 27.
Nac5 Nxc5 28. Nxc5 Nd3 29. Nxd3 Bxd3 30. Bf1 Bxf1 31. Kxf1 g6 32. Rc2 Re1+ 33.
Kg2 Kf7 34. Rb2 c5 35. Be3 Ra1 36. Kf3 b6 37. Ke4 Ke6 38. g4 Rd1 39. f4 Rd5 40.
a3 Ba5 41. Rb1 h5 42. Rg1 h4 43. a4 Bc3 44. h3 Rd8 45. Rb1 Bb4 46. Bf2 Ra8 47.
f5+ gxf5+ 48. gxf5+ Kf7 49. Ra1 Bc3 50. Ra3 Bb2 51. Ra2 Bf6 52. Kd5 b5 53. a5
c4 54. a6 c3 55. a7 Be7 56. Bd4 b4 57. Kc4 Bd6 58. Kb3 Bf8 59. Ra6 Bg7 60. Bc5
Bf8 61. Be3 Kg8 62. Bd4 Kh7 63. f6 Kg6 64. Be3 Kf7 65. Bg1 Kg6 66. Kc2 Kh6 67.
Be3+ Kg6 68. Bf2 Kf7 69. Kb3 Kg6 70. Bd4 Kf7 71. Be3 Kg6 72. Bf2 Kf7 73. Bxh4
Bc5 74. Rc6 Bxa7 75. Rc7+ Kg6 76. f7 Bd4 77. Be7 Bg7 78. h4 Rb8 79. Bd6 Bf8 80.
Bxf8 Rxf8 81. Kxb4 Rxf7 82. h5+ Kg7 83. Rxc3 Rf4+ 84. Kb5 Rf5+ 85. Rc5 Rxc5+
86. Kxc5 Kh6 87. Kd6 Kxh5 1/2-1/2

Stockfish shows the machines coming out of the opening evens at move 16.
However the CG Pro definitely missed a win later in the game. After 61...Kg8 it has the Pro as white on plus 10. However it misses the winning maneuverer of activating the R to C6 and the 7th rank at various points and in playing 73 Bx h4?? instead of R C6 the evaluation goes from plus seven to equality leading to a draw.
The CG Pro leads the match 1.5 -.5 after two games
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Here is game three of the match CG Pro versus Fid EAG v11

[Event "1 min AV"]
[Site "?"]
[Date "2016.10.30"]
[Round "?"]
[White "Fid EAG v 11"]
[Black "CG Pro"]
[Result "1-0"]
[ECO "B17"]
[PlyCount "123"]

1. e4 c6 2. d4 d5 3. Nc3 dxe4 4. Nxe4 Nd7 5. Bc4 Ngf6 6. Nxf6+ Nxf6 7. Nf3 Bf5
8. Qe2 e6 9. Bg5 Be7 10. O-O-O O-O 11. Kb1 Qb6 12. Bd3 Nd5 13. Bd2 Bxd3 14.
Qxd3 a5 15. Rde1 a4 16. a3 c5 17. c4 Nc7 18. Bg5 Bd6 19. Be3 Rfd8 20. Rd1 cxd4
21. Bxd4 Qc6 22. Ng5 f5 23. Qc3 Be7 24. Nf3 Ne8 25. Rhe1 Rac8 26. Ka1 b5 27.
Qe3 Qxc4 28. Rc1 Qd5 29. Rxc8 Rxc8 30. Qxe6+ Qxe6 31. Rxe6 Kf7 32. Re5 Nd6 33.
Bc5 Kf6 34. Kb1 Bf8 35. Bxd6 Bxd6 36. Rxb5 Rb8 37. Nd4 g6 38. Rxb8 Bxb8 39. Ne2
Bxh2 40. Nc3 Bg1 41. f3 Kg5 42. Nxa4 Kf4 43. b4 Kg3 44. Nc5 Kxg2 45. a4 Kxf3
46. a5 Bh2 47. Nd7 h6 48. a6 Bg1 49. Nc5 g5 50. a7 Kf4 51. a8=Q Be3 52. Ne6+
Kg3 53. Ng7 f4 54. Nf5+ Kf2 55. Nxe3 fxe3 56. Qf8+ Kg3 57. Qxh6 e2 58. Qxg5+
Kf3 59. Qe5 Kf2 60. Qf4+ Kg2 61. Qe3 e1=Q+ 62. Qxe1 1-0

So the EAG steams back to even the match. The decisive mistake was 45...KxF3?? when white Queens first and the evaluation jumps to plus 10 for white, 45 ..H5 had to be played when black also Queens with an even position. So with 1.5-1.5 and at this stage the match is as close as expected
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On to game four of this short six game match

[White "cg Pro"]
[Black "Fid EAG V11"]


1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. Bc4 Nf6 4. O-O Bc5 5. Re1 Qe7 6. d3 Na5 7. Nbd2 Ng4 8.
Re2 O-O 9. h3 Nf6 10. c3 Nxc4 11. Nxc4 d6 12. a4 a6 13. Be3 Bxe3 14. Nxe3 Be6
15. Ng5 Bd7 16. Qb3 Nh5 17. Nf3 Nf4 18. Rd2 b5 19. Nd5 Nxd5 20. Qxd5 bxa4 21.
Qb7 Bb5 22. d4 Rad8 23. Re1 exd4 24. Nxd4 Rb8 25. Qd5 Qh4 26. e5 Qf4 27. Nf3
Rbd8 28. Qb7 Qc4 29. exd6 {8} cxd6 30. Qe4 Rfe8 31. Qxc4 Rxe1+ 32. Nxe1 Bxc4
33. Nc2 Kf8 34. Rd4 d5 35. Ne3 Rb8 36. Nxc4 dxc4 37. Rxc4 Rxb2 38. Rxa4 Rb1+
39. Kh2 Rb6 40. Kg3 Ke7 41. Kf4 Kd6 42. Ra5 Kc7 43. Ke4 Rf6 44. Ra2 Rg6 45. f4
Rd6 46. c4 Kb6 47. Ke5 Rf6 48. Kd5 Rxf4 49. c5+ Kb7 50. Re2 Kc8 51. c6 Kd8 52.
Kd6 Rf6+ 53. Kc5 Rf1 54. Rb2 Rc1+ 55. Kb6 Kc8 56. Rb3 Ra1 57. h4 Ra2 58. g3 g6
59. Re3 Rb2+ 60. Kc5 Rc2+ 61. Kb6 Rb2+ 62. Kc5 Rc2+ 63. Kb6 Rb2+ 1/2-1/2
A long and remarkably accurate game by both machines, stockfish unable to find any glaring errors for either machine and both only differing by 7 centipawns from what stockfish considered best play. The position is equal out of the opening at move 15.So with only two games to go and a 2-2 score can either machine make a break through in what contiues to be a close match?
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steffen wrote:
Group B:
1. Fidelity Sensory 9 CB 16 8 MHz 5.5 points out of 7
2. SciSys Turbostar 432 4.5
3. Radioshack 1900L 4.5
4. Mephisto Manhattan 4 MHz 3.5
5. Mephisto III-S Glasgow 3.5
6. Excalibur Alexandra 3.0
7. Sphinx Concerto 2.5
8. Novag Constallation 2.0
Small correction:
The Constellation 2.0 mhz had only 1.0 point: a win in the last round against my very modest performing Concerto. But I had a small consolation: the Concerto was the only one to beat the winner (sensory 9 8mhz).
2024 Special thread: viewtopic.php?f=3&t=12741
2024 Special results and standings: https://schaakcomputers.nl/paul_w/Tourn ... 25_06.html
If I am mistaken, it must be caused by a horizon effect...
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