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Volodymyr wrote:Thanks Nick.

Very big difference Wiki ELO:1940,Manufacturer ELO 2294 USCF.
Why is that?
Wiki used an old SSDF formula which removed 100 ELO at a time when chess engines became popular. It was a way to make it fit with ELO's with the top engine programs of that time.

At Schachcomputer.Info the rating is 2010 ELO playing games at 30 seconds per move.

https://www.schachcomputer.info/html/ak ... liste.html

Karpov is the same computer as Novag Emerald Classic Plus. You can see a rating comparison here on line number 101:

http://www.spacious-mind.com/html/ratin ... ments.html

Novag marketed the Emerald Classic Plus at ELO 2294 which was a little too optimistic. Novag, Excalibur, Fidelity and Saitek tended to base their ratings on USCF as it made them appear stronger.

http://www.spacious-mind.com/html/emera ... _plus.html

Here at Mike's site in England you can also see Selective Search from Aug/Sept 1998.

http://www.chesscomputeruk.com/SS_77.pdf

Here it shows on page 32 line 179 Emerald Classic Plus against computers at ELO 2033 and against humans as ELO 2136. If you consider that very probably in the UK the conversion was more of an approximation for FIDE rating. Therefore USCF human rating would be approximately 2199 if you use the rating conversion chart at my website. So the optimistic rating from Novag was maybe 98 ELO too high at ELO 2294.

Selective Search is interesting as its reports were written at a time when humans still played against chess computers and the Selective Search list shows a nice comparison between the old pc/dos programs and board chess computers. It also shows a lot of board chess computers that are not shown separately elsewhere.

Starting to appreciate the efforts made by the people from Selective Search more and more the deeper I look into them.

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Nick
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More recently learned about this magazine.I really liked and downloaded all the editions.
I began to take interest in computer chess only in 2007,my first program Shredder Classic 1.2.
The Selective Search this is new information for me,this is the history of computer chess.
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spacious_mind wrote:

Starting to appreciate the efforts made by the people from Selective Search more and more the deeper I look into them.
bout time you saw the light Nick
only about 30 years too late
first issue was Sept. 1985..even before the SSDF was around
:P

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Steve B wrote:
spacious_mind wrote:

Starting to appreciate the efforts made by the people from Selective Search more and more the deeper I look into them.
bout time you saw the light Nick
only about 30 years too late
first issue was Sept. 1985..even before the SSDF was around
:P

Better Late Then Never Regards
Steve
Thanks Steve, you are right better late than never :)

Just shows you that you can still teach an old new tricks.

Regards
Nick
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